Hey Baby, Mind if I Insult You?
June 4, 2007 Posted in Reality
Has this happened to you?
You’re at a bar, minding your own business, talking to your friends and occasionally turning to see if that cute guy by the bathroom is actually with that girl he’s standing next to, or is just waiting in line to pee, when out of nowhere, a dude steps into your line of vision and says something slightly to very insulting. Don’t understand how it’s possible? Here are two real life examples:
Dude: “You two girls suck”
My friend and I freeze, staring at him in complete confusion.
Dude: “Seriously. You suck.”
Me: “Ok.”
I don’t know what else to say, and don’t care enough to trade insults with him. Nudging my friend with my elbow, I signal that it’s time to vacate the area.
Dude: “I mean, I’ve been here for an hour and haven’t been able to talk to either one of you!”
He grins, and asks us our names, and starts to talk to us. He’s actually friendly, but we leave soon after introductions because neither of us can forget how utterly rude he had been only moments ago.
At another bar with another friend, I’m trying to squeeze through an insanely huge crowd of people to get a beer. I can hardly breathe, and am in no mood to be yelled at by some tall, skinny, bi-speckled geek, but he continues to shout directly into my ear.
Dick: “Seriously! Is that real?”
Me: “What do you think?” I scream extra loud into his face, hoping he’ll back the hell off.
Dick: “It doesn’t look natural at all!”
My Friend: “Your face doesn’t look natural!”
And with that, she pulls me away and deeper into the crowd, leaving the geek and his geek associates to sketch out an algebraic graph of the chances of them getting laid.
Apparently, insulting girls to get them to notice you is something certain men (read: idiots) do all the time. There’s even a book written about it. The Game, by Neil Strauss, is all about how Strauss, a former social outcast, turned himself into a sex machine by becoming a Pick Up Artist.
“Most women respond to routines involving tests, psychological games, fortune telling and cold reading like addicts respond to free drugs” Strauss writes, going on to explain how a “neg” – a “barbed compliment or vaguely humorous insult” – should be employed on women who are used to getting compliments because it’ll make them “crave the PUA’s (Pick Up Artist’s) attention and approval”. Sure. If they have no self-esteem and enjoy jackasses.
I, for one, never respond well to this idiotic way of thinking. If I don’t know you, don’t insult me—it’s as simple as that. There’s a difference between being charming and being sleazy, and Strauss’s advice seems to rotate around the latter. Why insult a girl when it’s just as easy to smile, ask her a question, treat her like a cool chick you’d like to get to know? Those are the men I’m attracted to, the ones who have enough real confidence and charm to start up a conversation, without using lines or attempted psychological mindfucks. He may consider himself a P.I.M.P, but Strauss, and all his followers, will forever be geeks in my eyes. Who needs a book to tell them how to interact with the opposite sex? Who needs to rely on games and step-by-step instructions to land a date?
Grow some balls. Talk to me like a human being. Make me laugh. And leave the manual at home.
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Alex Awesome says:
Wed, 4th Jul 20073:20 pm
Ha hahaha! YES! It's actually a really sad epidemic, and one I plan to write a detailed rant about later. Forls, what's the deal with encouraging nice, (albeit socially awkward) guys trying to get their feet wet by degrading women? Is this REALLY how we want our young men to behave?
jim says:
Tue, 21st Aug 20076:48 am
I love talking about this book. Although Strause never said to be mean to girls like the example given above. He did learn and teach many techniques that got decent guys to point where they could be themselves and tell stories and "be nice" the book was a New York Times Best seller. It tells his story of becoming a PUA and the Good and the Bad of the "game" and the PUA underground community. My challenge to you Jess is to hang out with Gorgeous Girls on night and see if any "nice guys" get to talk to them that aren't male models or millionares.
jim says:
Tue, 21st Aug 20078:13 am
I love talking about this book. Although Strause never said to be mean to girls like the example given above. He did learn and teach many techniques that got decent guys to point where they could be themselves and tell stories and "be nice" the book was a New York Times Best seller. It tells his story of becoming a PUA and the Good and the Bad of the "game" and the PUA underground community. My challenge to you Jess is to hang out with Gorgeous Girls one night and see if any "nice guys" get to talk to them that aren't male models or millionaires. The guy in the story above does sound like a dick- he misinterpreteed the book(if he read it) and Jess also has he misinterpretation. I continue to have great conversations with many great people, not just girls. socail dynamics is an interesting thing, a science. sometimes it can be helpful to look at everyday situations as a science. Read the Book- You will love it no matter what you might think of the game.
Archangel says:
Wed, 24th Oct 20074:26 pm
Dork. I'm going to get you one of those little hats with a propeller on it.
Dio says:
Sat, 4th Sep 20106:33 pm
I agree that rude is rude. But there is validity in the principal of the "ambiguous compliment". While some of the "name" PUA's are wannabe clowns, many more in the community are the real deal- they have amazing, demonstrable skills, and the ability to teach them.
Actually, lots of guys need books to teach them how to relate to women. Women are confusing. And if we want to get honest, women read 100X more 'relationship' books than men, PLUS a never ending stream of articles on how to manipulate men – just take a look at Cosmo.
Dio says:
Sat, 4th Sep 20106:40 pm
** And while I don't consider myself a PUA master, I am an insider in that community, and can tell you first hand that the right coaching and courses can super-charge a man's social intelligence quotient with women. I share a lot of what I've learned on my blog http://www.pickuptipsformen.com
Be Excellent
~Dio