Would you date an African-American? How about an Indian? Or a Caucasian?
Online dating services want to know. When you fill out a profile, they’ll often ask you questions about what kind of people you prefer to date, including questions regarding ethnicity. They seem innocent enough…but are they?
I had a really thought-provoking conversation about it with a friend the other day. “I was sitting behind somebody who was filling out an online dating application,” she said, “and they put down that they preferred not to date Asian people.”
“Yeah?” I said.
“I couldn’t believe it!” she went on. “I thought that was the most racist thing I had ever seen!”
And I couldn’t believe she thought that. “You’re kidding, right?” I said. “People are allowed to have preferences about the looks of the people they date. It’s not racist.”
I can’t remember what the results of our discussion were, but I do remember how intrigued I was by the thought that ethnicity-related preference questions were such a hot topic. She really got me thinking. Were the questions themselves racist? Was somebody who didn’t want to date people in a specific ethnic group really racist?
Here’s what I think. If you like tall guys, you can mark down on your profile that you like tall guys. Some online dating services even let you specify the exact height of the guy you want to date. OK. So if you can specify height…why not race? If you don’t want to date a short person, why can’t you say that you don’t want to date a white person?
If you don’t want to date white people, all that’s saying is that you generally don’t find white people attractive. It’s not saying that you think there’s anything wrong with them, and it’s not saying that you have anything against them. And I’m sure many people would own up to the fact that there are exceptions to every rule.
Even if tall guys float your boat, you might acknowledge that you could fall madly in love with a short person. And even if you don’t think most Asian guys are hot, there just might be one for you out there.
So, is it racist to have ethnic dating preferences? I don’t think so. Some people like chocolate, hate vanilla, and feel mixed about mint chip. It’s all a matter of taste.
CC readers, what do YOU think?



Christine says:
Fri, 22nd Feb 20084:00 pm
I don’t really think it is. It’s just another aspect of a person you may or may not find appealing. I have nothing against anyone that is a different race. I could be perfectly capable of falling in love with someone who isn’t white. Does it interest me at this point in time? Nope. Doesn’t mean that I find them inferior or anything. It’s just not my cup of tea right now.
Carina says:
Fri, 22nd Feb 20084:26 pm
When I was walking on campus one day I was stopped and asked if I would like to audition for Next on MTV and of course I said sure! Not only on the application did you have to mark ethnic preference, but then they had a video portion of the application and the flat out asked. First of all both my interviewers were african american so I felt compltely akward saying I leaned toward white guys! But I mean hello Tiger Woods! so hott! haha i don’t think it’s racist its just a taste!
b says:
Fri, 22nd Feb 20084:57 pm
i don’t believe it’s racist at all. people do have different tastes, and maybe they came from an old-fashioned family. i personally couldn’t see myself dating someone who wasn’t white, but it doesn’t mean i totally wouldn’t; it’s just my preference.
JoeMorgan says:
Sat, 23rd Feb 200811:48 am
From headline:
“Is Online Dating Racist?”
Remember, when the politically correct use the term racist, they simply mean white Gentiles who discriminate.
It is a racial slur used only against white Gentiles. Racist = honky, or honky-ish.
So, the translation of the quote would be: “Is Online Dating Honky-ish?”
Chris says:
Tue, 26th Feb 20084:13 pm
There’s a difference between preferences and prerequisites. If a guy puts a pin-up of Marilyn Monroe on his wall because he idealizes busty blondes, that doesn’t mean he’d say no to, say, a brunette like Anne Hathaway just because of her hair colour and smaller cup-size. Well, there may be those who would resist, but they’re generally of a fetishist/obsessive-backstory (a la Jimmy Stewart in Vertigo) type that’s not the majority of the population.
However, when it comes to race, it’s usually not a mere preference but a prerequisite. Certain races are not merely preferred, but they’re DEMANDED. Therefore, racial “preferences” are in a category of their own.
Let’s use Asian men as an example because of all the races of men to be discriminated against, they probably have it the hardest. How is it not racist when even a tall, good-looking Asian guy with no cultural barriers is still discriminated against because of a few signifying racial features that denote him as Asian? Is Black hair and Asian eyes THAT monstrously ugly that it overrides all other positive features? Or perhaps, is it because those certain features are signature traits of Asians, and since Asian men have low social value, those traits are demonized solely because of their Asian association?
I’ll be the first to admit that there are some ugly Asian geeks out there, and I’m not advocating that everybody fall for them. But there are also athletic and charismatic Asian guys out there, and if you reject them solely based on a “I’m not into Asians” rationale, then you have to really ask yourself how that is not a racial prejudice.
Nefer says:
Wed, 27th Feb 200811:52 am
“I’ll be the first to admit that there are some ugly Asian geeks out there, and I’m not advocating that everybody fall for them. But there are also athletic and charismatic Asian guys out there, and if you reject them solely based on a “I’m not into Asians” rationale, then you have to really ask yourself how that is not a racial prejudice.” (Chris)
Eek! Careful with this. Although I do understand what you mean, it almost seemed like you’re saying that people should not discriminate against race, but they should discriminate on looks!
I love the rainbow… any ethnicity is fine by me. It’s just a matter of who they are. Even though, I can acknowledge that sometimes physically some people just won’t attract you and it won’t be until you know them that you’ll appreciate them and become attracted to them.
Just think of the question this way: If you say you prefer tall guys, will that mean you discriminate against small ones?
Chris says:
Wed, 27th Feb 20083:47 pm
“Just think of the question this way: If you say you prefer tall guys, will that mean you discriminate against small ones?” (Nefer)
If you prefer tall guys, it most likely means that you like to feel all safe and cozy in the arms of a big guy. Shorter guys can’t provide that kind of “bear hug” presence. Therefore, it becomes a matter of projected power and authority.
So if you say that you don’t like Asians no matter what their height, then you could also be saying that Asians don’t project a sense of power and authority. This, my friends, is the smoking gun of a racial caste system.
freddy says:
Wed, 27th Feb 20086:13 pm
Law and working conditions are public issues, and therefore appropriate topics for debate and cultural engineering attempts.
Romantic preferences are *personal* and the moment the politically correct types try to pry into that, they cross the line and show themselves to be zealots. Imagine what kind of life it would be if, on top of being told what you can and can’t say, you were also told whom you can and can’t find attractive? Do you think that would really change you? Or would you just cave to these modern day inquisitors and go through the motions of being attracted to people you’re not attracted to for fear of being labelled racist? Maybe even being in a loveless relationship, all while yearning for whatever it is you would truly find fulfilling? Would it be fair to the person you’re pretending to love?
Good lord, I’m a white guy, and I’m perfectly fine with a woman not wanting to go out with me because of my race. The more up front she is with herself about that the better, because the sooner we will both find someone who genuinely is attracted to us. These whiners who think they found yet another problem (not finding a date) to blame on racism really need to take responsibility for their own lives and improve their game.
Butt out of everyone’s personal life!!!
Tom G says:
Wed, 27th Feb 20086:43 pm
Calling a dating preference racist is nothing more than pure idiocy. Its a general preference, nothing more, nothing less. I have a Match.com profile. My preferences are White, Latino, Asian. Those are traditionally the races that I find attractive. It doesn’t mean I dislike any other race, it just means thats what I’m physically attracted to. I also set my preferred body type to slender, fit, or normal. Again, I don’t hate fat women, I just don’t necessarily want to get naked with one. There is plenty of actual racism in the world to deal with without trying to make every personal preference into some sweeping statement.
G. Chell says:
Thu, 28th Feb 20081:48 pm
If you prefer dating only a person of the same race based solely on skin color you are a racist. If a German wants to date a German it is not racist. If a French wants to date a French it is not racist. If an Armenian wants to date an Armenian it is not racist. But a German who says that it is Ok to date an Armenian who looks white but not an Asian is a racist. Similarly a white American who has no problem dating a Turk who looks white, but wont date an Asian is a racist.
G. Chell says:
Thu, 28th Feb 20081:49 pm
“i personally couldn’t see myself dating someone who wasn’t white.”
White is not ethnicity, but color..any person who prefers someone else because of the color of the skin is a racist.
G. Chell says:
Thu, 28th Feb 20081:52 pm
“So if you say that you don’t like Asians no matter what their height, then you could also be saying that Asians don’t project a sense of power and authority. This, my friends, is the smoking gun of a racial caste system.”
Absolutely right!
G. Chell says:
Thu, 28th Feb 20081:54 pm
“Good lord, I’m a white guy, and I’m perfectly fine with a woman not wanting to go out with me because of my race.”
Anyone basing their decision on race is a racist. If a Malay moslem says they wont marry a Bosnian moslem becuase of culture, it is not racist. However, if it is because of skin color it is racism.
G. Chell says:
Thu, 28th Feb 20081:56 pm
It is the writers preference not to date someone outside the race. Similarly it is my preference to call those people racist. So let her do according to her preference and I shall do according to mine.
Namaste says:
Fri, 29th Feb 20081:35 pm
I think people have really blurred the lines when it comes to racism. Have we become so scared to offend that we are willing to sacrifice our personal preferences in order to not upset someone?
I will admit that I prefer white men by far than members of another race. However, I can go even farther with it: I prefer pale-skinned men with dark brown hair and brown eyes. I also seem to lean towards shorter men with larger noses. I’ve often been made fun of by friends that proclaim I favor “Jewish” features.
Well, we’ve got that out of the way. I might be marked as a racist and that’s fine by me because I think that the term is over used and misunderstood by far. I also am confident in that fact that I am not a racist because I have dated an African-American man, a Native American, a Japanese female, and a Middle-Eastern man (granted this was even right after 9/11…wow, I must really be a racist? It’s hard to be this discriminatory and intolerable towards others.)
Like a few have said before me, it is a PERSONAL preference. G. Chell stated that if you make your decision based on color then it is racist. Well, like I said, I swoon over brown eyes and I have never dated a blue-eyes male (or female) in my life. Does this denote racism? No, it doesn’t. In fact, no definition that I have ever seen for racism has ever included “color” as the defining characteristic of the word. Racism occurs when believe that one race is superior to another race.
There is a lot of variance in the world that we live in. This goes for flowers, clothing, music, hot or cold weather, and people. Just because you don’t like everything that you set your eyes on, doesn’t mean that you hate it either.
George Chell says:
Wed, 5th Mar 20084:22 pm
“G. Chell stated that if you make your decision based on color then it is racist. Well, like I said, I swoon over brown eyes and I have never dated a blue-eyes male (or female) in my life. Does this denote racism? No, it doesn’t. In fact, no definition that I have ever seen for racism has ever included “color” as the defining characteristic of the word. Racism occurs when believe that one race is superior to another race.”
It all depends on one’s own preferences. My preference is not to call you a racist as you have dated women of different races. White women have a right to have dating preference for white skin color and may have a preference for white babies. I also want to have my preference: my preference being to call them racist. So, they can act on their preference and I will act on mine.
bob says:
Wed, 23rd Apr 200811:55 pm
Just because a choice is personal doesn’t automatically make it non-racist. Of course we all have the right to choose who we date, and no one is required to pursue a relationship with someone they aren’t attracted to. But the problem is that when we have racial preferences for the people we date, we end up basing our choices on stereotypes. As has been mentioned before, if you just aren’t into Asian men, it has to be based on some stereotype about asian men, unless you have met every one of the 1+ billion asian men on earth. If you base your preferences on this stereotype, you risk preventing yourself from meeting a great person who possesses all the qualities you want in a partner just because you refused to give him/her a chance because you think you won’t be attracted.
That doesn’t bother me, though. I don’t care if you deny yourself the possibility of finding true love. The problem that I have is that when we post these preferences on a dating site or on a forum, it can create an unwelcoming environment for people whose races are considered undesirable. Have you thought about how it feels for, let’s say, an Asian man looking at a dating site to see how many women will reject him immediately without even bothering to read his profile or respond to his messages JUST because they think they don’t like Asian men?
I don’t mind if people have racial preferences for dating, but be mindful of how you include them in your profiles. First off, if you aren’t ABSOLUTELY sure that you would NEVER be interested in, let’s say, an Asian man, then don’t include information in your profile that excludes them. If you are absolutely certain that you would never date Asian men, then say so and don’t be so afraid that people might call you a racist. Face it, you’re exercising your right to express your racial preferences, and they’re exercising their right to comment on it. Racism isn’t just about hating people. Racism is about making judgments about people based on their race. To me, it is bizarre to indicate that you prefer certain races over others, and then argue that your choices aren’t racially biased. It doesn’t make any sense, and it sounds like you’re blaming people for being too sensitive instead of taking responsibility for your choices. If race matters to you, that’s fine. Just don’t be surprised when people call you on it.
Krishna says:
Mon, 16th Jun 20084:51 pm
I have to agree with Chris about the prerequisite vs preference. People commenting above make it sound like a chore even to consider someone of a different “race”. It has gotten to the point where I just don’t even declare my ethnicity most times since I will be pre-screened from searches before someone has a chance to check out my profile/personality. I honestly think people shouldn’t have preferences at all. I mean we’re in the 21st century, people! Open your reptilian minds a little, huh? Put away the guns, embrace others, learn about the earth that we all live in! *shudders in disgust* and PS, just think of how our “preferences” are formed – via mass media, advertising, propaganda- and consider how UnDemocratic such things are: how little positive (much less realistic!) representations of people from this and other cultures there are – and you get a sense of the kind of bubble we live in. You can’t make honest choices living in a bubble. Wake up!
Heather says:
Fri, 27th Jun 20086:07 pm
Bob, your post was so accurate and true. You’re a smart guy.
DarkScorpion says:
Wed, 9th Jul 20084:32 pm
IMHO, there is so much that could be written concerning this thread of discussion and the general inaccuracies concerning this subject.
Take for example the title of the article “Is online dating racist?”, that in itself is flawed because the real question is whether the expression of race/ethnicity/heritage/ancestry related preferences in online dating profiles should be considered “racist”.
Let me clarify that I am in agreement with the statements made by the author of the article, specifically, “people are allowed to have preferences about the looks of the people they date. it’s not racist”.
In fact, people are allowed to have preferences about any aspect of the people they date…people are allowed to have preferences, period.
Are preferences related to race/ethnicity/heritage/ancestry, etc necessarily racist and/or imply that the person having such preferences is racist?
I don’t think so – it might be possible that some of those people are actually racist at heart but not necessarily so.
The racist term tends to be applied too loosely
and the race card played too often these days without consideration of actual meaning or implication.
Racist/racism are strong words with hectic connotations, should actually be used with alot more consideration in my opinion.
Here is a definition from dictionary.com:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
So now, based on the above definitions, we should never assume that that racial based preferences in dating are motivated by racist views – the world isn’t all just black and white although many people seem to see only those extremes.
Like it or not, everyone is, at some point, prejudiced in some way. In fact, the existence of preference implies the existence of prejudice because there will always be bias toward that which is preferred.
So if preferences within a particular race/ethnicity is accepted, then why should preference outside of a specific race/ethnicity immediately be frowned upon and/or equated to racism?
The reality is that people will date those they find attractive, appealing, share common life goals, values, lifestyle and culture. Although we are independent, we are not isolated and ultimately, we seek partners with whom we can coexist. That being said, is it so hard to accept that people identify more with certain types than others?
Are we saying that everyone should be open to a relationship with someone that is racially/ethnically/culturally different or face being called a racist? [even though we have not heard their reasons for not having such preference?]
Here’s an interesting comment paraphrased from another thread…
http://www.collegecandy.com/reality/10122
by Lena on 8 July 2008.
“it isn’t our colors that are the problem. It is the assessment that certain groups can be ranked superior or inferior based on stereotypes. It is the fact that entire systems have been set up to perpetuate or pander to these stereotypes. It is the investment of certain people to insist on homogeny in order for us to coexist peacefully instead of embracing diversity.
You can “see color” without adding a value judgment”
Maybe having a racial preferences when considering people for dating is a subtle form of racism and does make the preference holder a racist – then so be it, guess I’m a racist then -but at the same time, let me say that my social circle and close friends are very diverse in terms of race/ethnicity/culture, etc. and I do NOT subscribe to racial/ethnicity related superiority i.e. we are all human and of the same human value. Just because I have preferences, does not mean I think less of people that don’t match my preferences, to suggest that is just absurd.
Last thing, in case people that like to apply stereotypes think that such comments as above must be coming from a lonely white guy, in this case you would be wrong – I’m indeed a guy but neither white nor lonely – plenty of women who meet my preferences around
john says:
Fri, 17th Oct 20085:19 am
“Racist” is a really heavily loaded word, especially for white folks, who are often accused of being racist and then expected to do something about it.
Is expressing a racial preference racist? Of course it is. It is, by definition, racial discrimination. (But, it’s not that simple.)
Even by the description provided by DarkScorpion, it’s racist. If you ask anyone why they prefer a specific race, they’ll usually describe some stereotypes. Sometimes, they don’t have a strong preference for any group, but have a preference against a group.
More than anything, though, the people with these preferences think they aren’t racist, because they aren’t having the preference out of malice. They don’t feel any power over their own preferences. These preferences emerge from the subconscious, it seems.
Not only that, most people seem to have a preference, at least a little bit.
So, is everyone “racist”. Well, yes. And we live in a racist society. So, having that kind of preference really isn’t a big deal. At this time, it’s not offensive. Maybe in the near future, it will be.
Are dating sites racist for allowing preferences to be expressed? No. It’s only a mechanism to allow society to express its own racism. It is a feature that can be ignored.
The only significant way to contrast this would be a (hypothetical) site that doesn’t allow racial preferences. That would be an “anti-racist” site, that attempts to coerce a racist society to behave in a more idealized, non-racist manner.
Incidentally, Asian guys are not at the bottom of the racial desirability stack. It’s Arab men, due to all this recent propaganda against Arabs. It’s interesting, and no coincidence, that different Asian and Arab people have been considered the “enemy” for the 20th century.
Part of the process of developing racism to conduct war involves symbolically (and sometimes actually) emasculating the men, and turning the women into “prizes”.
Allison says:
Sat, 8th Nov 20081:48 am
My perspective on this question is this: statistically, people of all races tend to pair up with people of the same race. Interracial relationships are just as beautiful, but the majority of people date/marry their own race. I believe it’s because we are naturally attracted to people who look more like us and whose ethnic culture is more similar to our own. I mean it’s funny sometimes how much romatic couples tend to look alike. I think in a larger sense, we are attracted to people who look like us because we like the idea of having children who look like us. I think that if you see a mate as a potential marriage partner/co-parent, you unconsciously consider these things. In other words, the less your mate resembles you, the less your children together would resemble you. That’s not to say that you couldn’t love your own children just because their skin color or eye/nose shape differed from yours, but–maybe it’s just a vanity thing, but I always like to picture a future daughter as being like a little me. I think a lot of people feel the same way. At the end of the day, it’s really the love and emotional connection between two people that matters, in which case you’ll love your children no matter what. But the initial attraction is more likely to occur between people who are racially similar.
thefoggyone says:
Wed, 19th Nov 20085:58 pm
Not all blondes look the same. Not all dark skinned people look the same. Not all tall people look the same. We makeup so called “races” to categorize humans. The whole idea is ridiculous. Are two pigeons different “races” because one has darker feathers than the other. Discrimination based on physical features is natural, but once you start thinking of people as “belonging” to a “race”, then you have already had subtle racist thoughts. There will always be preferred traits, but most of these traits are cultural. If you look at history, you’ll see how desireable traits change as much as fashion.
Joseph says:
Sat, 2nd May 20098:22 pm
http://www.helium.com/items/1283873-race-racism-imperialism-neoliberalism-humans-cultures-slavery-immigration-colonialism
Asian guy says:
Mon, 25th May 20093:23 am
Yep, online dating is racist, probably even more racist than real life. I think it’s because online daters tend to be losers and losers tend to make poor judgments, so they base their online dating filters on the most stupid criteria, like “tall and white”. I have been with a ton of women who thought “tall and white” was a big deal until they met me. You just have to let them see you. If you are an Asian guy, DO NOT bother with online dating. You aren’t gonna win the battle on paper. Be the best you can be, be prepared for success, and when you nail that next busty white chick, dirty her real good. Just don’t tell her you are gonna dirty her until you are actually dirtying her. White chicks are weird like that.
I can’t give you advice on Asian women because I avoid Asian women.
Tetsuro says:
Sat, 13th Jun 200912:33 pm
I think the problem is not so much the “preference”, but the implications behind it.
Categories such as height, weight, age, or even habits (i.e., alcohol, coffee, and cigarettes) are just, that, habits. A person who is 4′11″, 120 lbs, and smokes is just that, a person who is 4′11″, 120 lbs, and smokes.
But “race” is a loaded word, these “preferences” also carry with them perceived cultural expectations (i.e., stereotypes). “Black” often implies the blingbling-clad, Ebonic speaking, Gangta rap lover who plays basketball in the ‘hood. “Asian” is another word for the feminine (both sexes), subservient, nerdy people who live with mom and dad until they get married.
How about people who are of mixed-races? Tiger Woods is 1/4 Asian, but he will always be seen as Black. Keanu Reeves, often identified as white, is actually half Japanese. How about the difference between Snoop Dogg and Steve Urkel? Yao Ming and Russell Wong?
So the “race” is so much of a problem, but it is our unreasonable expectation that each race is homogeneous that is the problem.
willy says:
Sat, 13th Jun 200912:53 pm
Shit, I wants to do is to fucks thems white bitches and ties up a fews of dem little asian cunts. Throws in some fat bitches twos. shit, a pussy hole is all stinky afters it bend fucked. Dam cunt sniffs ald duh same anyways. just turns of the lites an fucks..
AsianAmericanguy says:
Mon, 22nd Jun 20091:02 am
Yeah, as an Asian guy in American, I would never do online dating. At least in person, I can break the stereotypes. Online, they look through a screen and try to imagine what I would be like, and they see William Hung and Long Duk Dong. Yeah, it is too damn racist for me.
Winzer says:
Mon, 27th Jul 200912:49 am
Carly-Grinnell…you sound like a reasonably intelligent person but, consider this:
Tall = not a race
Short = not a race
Fat = not a race
Gold digger = not a race
Player/Cheater = not a race
Being exactly 6′2″ tall = again, not a race
Caucasian, Asian, Black, Indian = these are races!
Winzer says:
Mon, 27th Jul 20091:01 am
Dictionary.com definition of “RACISM”
“a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.”
I know that not ALL people of race “X” are like this (throw in some stereotypes) but, in my opinion MOST people of race “X” are like this so it’s a safer bet to just ignore ALL of them than take the effort and find out who they really are. I’d prefer to date people of my own race because I find my own race superior in the “looks department.” That’s racism RIGHT THERE!
On the other hand, I could be from race “X” but only date people from race “Y” because I dislike my own race and think that the qualities (e.g. height, skin color, whatever) of race “Y” are superior…again, even if you’re in an inter-racial relationship you can still be a racist.
Ellie says:
Tue, 28th Jul 20092:37 am
I don’t agree, Winzer, that making personal choices about whom to date meets that definition of racism. As Allison said, it’s natural to prefer to date people who are similar to ourselves. That does not inherently imply belief in the inferiority of others who look different. It is entirely different for, say, an employer to discriminate *against* potential applicants than for a person to discriminate *amongst* potential suitors. When it comes to love, there are no “equal opportunity” rules, because people are just not interchangeable. We all discriminate in our dating lives. We pick and choose the qualities that we deem most important to us and try to find the person who feels like the best match. Obviously the initial attraction is largely based on looks. Sometimes we are attracted to people who are markedly different from ourselves in skin color. By and large, though, you’ll notice purely by being a social observer, people pair up with significant others who look similar to themselves. According to the 2000 census, 4.9% of registered U.S. marriaged were interracial. There is absolutely nothing wrong with interracial relationships, just as there is nothing wrong with preferring one’s own race (which does not make one a racist. It’s purely a matter of preference. It just happens that most people choose their own.
Ellie says:
Tue, 28th Jul 20092:42 am
…..continued: People will choose whom to date based on whom they feel most naturally attracted to, not based on what they think they *should* do in order to appear politically correct. Whether you’re attracted to someone of your own race or of another is entirely up to the individual.
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