The Lloyd Dobler Factor
May 30, 2008 Posted in Other Stories
While talking to a good guy friend recently I said something about standing outside his bedroom window with a boom box to get his attention (he doesn’t have a door buzzer), and he immediately shot back with a long rant against the movie I was referring to, Say Anything.
Very few women I know actually saw the Cameron Crowe directed film in theaters. It was released in 1989; I was four, and more interested in Mr. Rogers than Mr. Perfect. But now I can’t even count the number of times I’ve seen the film, and each time I watch it I fall in love with John Cusack’s character, Lloyd Dobler, again. This is why I couldn’t understand why my friend, we’ll call him S, loathed the film, and especially Lloyd, so completely. He said the film was cheesy, the plot unrealistic, and that the character I loved so much was moronic.
I’m going to call this disconnect between the way I feel about Say Anything, and the way S feels about Say Anything, “The Lloyd Dobler Factor.” What is it about the film that I love and that my friend just can’t wrap his straight male head around?
Lloyd loves Ione Skye’s character Diane so completely he braves her overprotective (and criminal) father to get her, and he does that adorable boom box thing (the only time a Peter Gabriel song will ever be okay) to win back her affection after they hit a rough spot. Lloyd says things like, “I gave her my heart and she gave me a pen,” and tells Dad: “What I really want to do with my life – what I want to do for a living – is I want to be with your daughter. I’m good at it.” What’s not to love?
In 2002, the film earned Entertainment Weekly’s number one spot as the greatest modern movie romance, it’s number eleven on the magazine’s list of the best high school movies of all time, and it is the forty-eighth best reviewed movie on rottentomatoes.com. So what doesn’t S get?
Maybe it’s because Lloyd is the perfect boyfriend? His only goal in his post-high school life is to get Diane. His life revolves around getting and keeping Diane. Lloyd was the pre-curser to The O.C.’s Seth and Gossip Girl’s Dan, who, despite existing in a culture where a man is expected to be more successful and richer than his girlfriend or else risk feeling emasculated (remember that Sex and the City episode where Steve and Miranda break up over a designer suit?), Lloyd, Seth, and Dan are all perfectly okay being lower on the totem pole than their significant others. Lloyd is an underachiever who loves Diane because she’s smart, not despite it.
Is S threatened by a guy like Lloyd Dobler? In my twenty-three years of dating experience (okay, I guess there was that Mr. Rogers period, so let’s say ten years of experience), I know that men like Lloyd don’t exist. But we women still dream, some of us even holding out. Maybe for a guy like S, the Lloyd archetype -– loving, adorable, self-sacrificing, self-deprecating but with a hint of an ego –– is too much to live up to? Well, I say deal with it.
Men need to get over the old-fashioned notion that they need to be more successful than their girlfriend. We deal with a glass ceiling at school and at work; we don’t need to deal with one in the bedroom. Women are expected to pluck, wax, and wear underwear that’s meant to go up our butts, the least men can do is hold up a boom box every once in a while.
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A says:
Fri, 30th May 200811:54 am
I love "Say Anything" and everything that is Lloyd Dobler.
aim says:
Fri, 30th May 20084:05 pm
I never liked "Say Anything" either.
I LOVED Lloyd Dobler as a character. I thought he was amazing and a great guy. And John Cusack -
Troy says:
Sat, 31st May 20084:54 am
What the hell? A guy whose only goal is to be with a girl? I thought those were called creeps, losers, bums, etc.
Brittany says:
Sat, 31st May 200811:53 am
I love 'Say Anything' and John Cusack. And unfortunately because of this, I am ruined for every guy.
Chih says:
Wed, 4th Jun 20087:27 am
I don't think guys/girls like Lloyd don't exist, they are just hard to find. Most men and women these days are very career driven and they don't really prioritize finding a perfect mate on top of their list. I think we all need to keep characters like Lloyd in our hearts as a way to remind us that we deserve people who will love us unconditionally and that they will do anything for us because of love. That way, our standards are not lowered to settle.
tom says:
Thu, 5th Jun 200810:04 am
*yawn*. there'll be more llyod doblers, when there are more diane courts. what's a diane court? a diane court is a beautiful slender, athletic girl who gets great grades, reads intellectual books, and never talks about manolo blahnik shoes, celebrity gossip, us weekly/page six, or reality tv. most guys (whom i know) really, really dislike carrie bradshaw and her cohorts. most secretly dream of a rory gilmore (again, a pretty, slender girl who reads books) and veronica mars. so, there's a ratio of direct proportion between the number of doblers and the number of courts. most men tolerate girly girl stuff, because they want to get laid, and they see no other options, if they want an attractive girlfriend. by extension, llyod isn't so noble: the man is devoted; sure. but he persues a gorgeous, brilliant girl (prettiest *and* the smartest girl in school. it's not as if he alls for a woman due strictly to her personality). you can as easly say dobler just wants to prove to himself that he can land her. i'm not sch a cynic, but an argument like that could be made.
Chris says:
Fri, 6th Jun 200811:36 am
You do realize that most women would think Dobler is a pussy and not give him the time of day.
I know you women like to pretend you love a devoted loyal man who will fight for you. Fact of the matter is when you have one you often don't view him as a challenge and then show no interest in him because its too easy.
As I write this you're probably ignoring some highly devoted 'nice guy' or perhaps telling him about the problems you're having with the (dark, asshole, rough, emotionally unavailable, etc) guy you're currently having sex with.
AmiableOrchid says:
Thu, 30th Dec 201010:50 pm
That's my same thought on it! Okay, he had no real plans, goals, or even an actual job. He basically would have to live off Diane's scholarship/Her father's fraud money, and would only distract her from her studies. Really, I guess I had to have been there. I'm a 27 year old, educated woman, and I simply do not get Lloyd's attraction to the feminine species.