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	<title>Comments on: He Said/She Said: Women Making the First Move</title>
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		<title>By: Horyuu</title>
		<link>http://collegecandy.com/2008/06/19/he-saidshe-said-women-making-the-first-move/#comment-3768</link>
		<dc:creator>Horyuu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 03:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don`t mean to sound too philosophical, but it all depends on the person or people involved.

Some people love &quot;playing the field&quot; but never getting serious.

Some just want a good relationship and &quot;none of this bullsh*t&quot; as they say.

As a guy, I can say that I would love to know ahead of time that things would work out or not.  My best friend is also the only girl I&#039;m interested in, so it poses a problem of the loss of friendship if one of us makes the first move.



Think on it,

The Fire Dragon: Horyuu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don`t mean to sound too philosophical, but it all depends on the person or people involved.</p>
<p>Some people love &#8220;playing the field&#8221; but never getting serious.</p>
<p>Some just want a good relationship and &#8220;none of this bullsh*t&#8221; as they say.</p>
<p>As a guy, I can say that I would love to know ahead of time that things would work out or not.  My best friend is also the only girl I&#8217;m interested in, so it poses a problem of the loss of friendship if one of us makes the first move.</p>
<p>Think on it,</p>
<p>The Fire Dragon: Horyuu</p>
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		<title>By: RPG</title>
		<link>http://collegecandy.com/2008/06/19/he-saidshe-said-women-making-the-first-move/#comment-3767</link>
		<dc:creator>RPG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but if I go out with a girl and I don&#039;t hear &quot;I had a good time and would love to do it again&quot; (or any sort of variation... &quot;call me later&quot;, whatever) then I assume she&#039;s not interested. There are exceptions, sometimes it&#039;s really obvious that she&#039;s into you, but if she can&#039;t be honest and forthcoming now, how do I know she&#039;ll be honest and forthcoming with me later?



The dynamic changes if either party is only interested in sex. If a girl approaches a guy and he runs, then he probably only wanted to hookup and he got thrown off his game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but if I go out with a girl and I don&#8217;t hear &#8220;I had a good time and would love to do it again&#8221; (or any sort of variation&#8230; &#8220;call me later&#8221;, whatever) then I assume she&#8217;s not interested. There are exceptions, sometimes it&#8217;s really obvious that she&#8217;s into you, but if she can&#8217;t be honest and forthcoming now, how do I know she&#8217;ll be honest and forthcoming with me later?</p>
<p>The dynamic changes if either party is only interested in sex. If a girl approaches a guy and he runs, then he probably only wanted to hookup and he got thrown off his game.</p>
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		<title>By: red</title>
		<link>http://collegecandy.com/2008/06/19/he-saidshe-said-women-making-the-first-move/#comment-3766</link>
		<dc:creator>red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>22yo swm -- I honestly think I&#039;m the most active slut here, so I feel I can contribute.

First - Anna is right. For two reasons: 1) when we chase things a bit, we focus more attention on them, which leads to us being preoccupied and wanting them more (think shiny objects and their effect on dilating pupils); and 2) when you&#039;ve had a lot of random sex and you find someone you actually might care for, you want to treat that person differently and separate them from the other memories.

As for making the first move, three things:

1) the girl should always do it -- but not at a bar and usually no more than a good look, turn, or twist of the hair. If I meet you at a bar, we&#039;re fucking, not in a relationship.

2) guys who pick up on these signs at bars have done it before. which can really go either way for most people. watch for a subconscious increase in interest rather than a conscious acknowledgment of receiving your attention; those guys will either be clueless or sweet.

3) some of us are used to striking up conversations with people. this doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re extroverted; perhaps we&#039;re acting. we&#039;ve done this before and you might be training material. um, watch out. but just so you know, we&#039;re pretty amazing.

There&#039;s a lot to be said for women making a strong first move. Lauren Bacall did it, and frankly there&#039;s never been a more attractive woman. Plus, the strong move changes the relationship, making the attraction more open between partners. But there&#039;s a difference between strong and easy, and much forwardness from girls falls among the latter. If you&#039;re reading these articles for self-help, stick with being a gamine coquette with a wild smile.

Um, as for being a slut, I&#039;ve slept with well over eighty women in the past two years alone (don&#039;t keep track, but you should see my phone) and frequently am asked for my number; I&#039;m also writing this from bed with a &quot;gamine coquette&quot; I picked up on the subway tonight while she was sitting with her friend -- I hate to be crude, but just to get the point across, it&#039;s time for shower sex now and then she&#039;ll be leaving; this is me multi-tasking, not that she&#039;s complained, and any shallowness of relationship has little to do with who made the &quot;first&quot; first-move, but rather how little we&#039;ll have in common after she&#039;s left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>22yo swm &#8212; I honestly think I&#8217;m the most active slut here, so I feel I can contribute.</p>
<p>First &#8211; Anna is right. For two reasons: 1) when we chase things a bit, we focus more attention on them, which leads to us being preoccupied and wanting them more (think shiny objects and their effect on dilating pupils); and 2) when you&#8217;ve had a lot of random sex and you find someone you actually might care for, you want to treat that person differently and separate them from the other memories.</p>
<p>As for making the first move, three things:</p>
<p>1) the girl should always do it &#8212; but not at a bar and usually no more than a good look, turn, or twist of the hair. If I meet you at a bar, we&#8217;re fucking, not in a relationship.</p>
<p>2) guys who pick up on these signs at bars have done it before. which can really go either way for most people. watch for a subconscious increase in interest rather than a conscious acknowledgment of receiving your attention; those guys will either be clueless or sweet.</p>
<p>3) some of us are used to striking up conversations with people. this doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re extroverted; perhaps we&#8217;re acting. we&#8217;ve done this before and you might be training material. um, watch out. but just so you know, we&#8217;re pretty amazing.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot to be said for women making a strong first move. Lauren Bacall did it, and frankly there&#8217;s never been a more attractive woman. Plus, the strong move changes the relationship, making the attraction more open between partners. But there&#8217;s a difference between strong and easy, and much forwardness from girls falls among the latter. If you&#8217;re reading these articles for self-help, stick with being a gamine coquette with a wild smile.</p>
<p>Um, as for being a slut, I&#8217;ve slept with well over eighty women in the past two years alone (don&#8217;t keep track, but you should see my phone) and frequently am asked for my number; I&#8217;m also writing this from bed with a &#8220;gamine coquette&#8221; I picked up on the subway tonight while she was sitting with her friend &#8212; I hate to be crude, but just to get the point across, it&#8217;s time for shower sex now and then she&#8217;ll be leaving; this is me multi-tasking, not that she&#8217;s complained, and any shallowness of relationship has little to do with who made the &#8220;first&#8221; first-move, but rather how little we&#8217;ll have in common after she&#8217;s left.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://collegecandy.com/2008/06/19/he-saidshe-said-women-making-the-first-move/#comment-3765</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I really think it depends on what you want from a relationship.  When I was dating casually, my experience was that men could be sort of temporarily into women who were more forward.  But it seemed that they did not take such women seriously, wanted to move things along at a slower pace with girls they actually liked.  I was always more forward, but as it happened I met my husband at a time when I was not into dating at all.  And that distance was very attractive to him.  Weird, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I really think it depends on what you want from a relationship.  When I was dating casually, my experience was that men could be sort of temporarily into women who were more forward.  But it seemed that they did not take such women seriously, wanted to move things along at a slower pace with girls they actually liked.  I was always more forward, but as it happened I met my husband at a time when I was not into dating at all.  And that distance was very attractive to him.  Weird, no?</p>
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		<title>By: O</title>
		<link>http://collegecandy.com/2008/06/19/he-saidshe-said-women-making-the-first-move/#comment-3764</link>
		<dc:creator>O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no! &quot;Speaker-for-all-men&quot; has a very good point!

I HATE the &quot;game&quot; and the &quot;chase&quot;.  It&#039;s so pointless and time-wasting.



The &quot;She Said&quot; girl is just what I&#039;m looking for. A girl who doesn&#039;t want to play games and do the &quot;3 day rule&quot; or just sit there and look pretty while rejecting advances from guys who she is attracted to but can&#039;t act like she&#039;s attracted to because she&#039;ll come off too strong and then guys won&#039;t be attracted to her.



WHEWW! See?? It&#039;s exhausting just to READ it.



If you&#039;re still stuck in the &quot;men are the hunters&quot; way of thinking then as a woman you should be a gatherer and stay home - barefoot and pregnant.

But things are not like that anymore (thank god).



In my 2 past relationships the girls made moves on me first...and our relationships were great!  It showed that they had confidence (very sexy) and weren&#039;t stuck in high-school dating mode.



GO GET &#039;EM GIRLS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no! &#8220;Speaker-for-all-men&#8221; has a very good point!</p>
<p>I HATE the &#8220;game&#8221; and the &#8220;chase&#8221;.  It&#8217;s so pointless and time-wasting.</p>
<p>The &#8220;She Said&#8221; girl is just what I&#8217;m looking for. A girl who doesn&#8217;t want to play games and do the &#8220;3 day rule&#8221; or just sit there and look pretty while rejecting advances from guys who she is attracted to but can&#8217;t act like she&#8217;s attracted to because she&#8217;ll come off too strong and then guys won&#8217;t be attracted to her.</p>
<p>WHEWW! See?? It&#8217;s exhausting just to READ it.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re still stuck in the &#8220;men are the hunters&#8221; way of thinking then as a woman you should be a gatherer and stay home &#8211; barefoot and pregnant.</p>
<p>But things are not like that anymore (thank god).</p>
<p>In my 2 past relationships the girls made moves on me first&#8230;and our relationships were great!  It showed that they had confidence (very sexy) and weren&#8217;t stuck in high-school dating mode.</p>
<p>GO GET &#8216;EM GIRLS!</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually agree with she because my mate treats boys like toys, she plays hard to get, then f*cks about with them, like cheats and boys still say they love her and stuff, they know what she does because she brags about it but they all want to take her out and get with her. Where as im nice to boys, a little shy but if i like a boy he tends to know about it but they never like me, its always my mate. its worse when i like them tho and their like.. so whats your mates number.. thats a killer =[</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually agree with she because my mate treats boys like toys, she plays hard to get, then f*cks about with them, like cheats and boys still say they love her and stuff, they know what she does because she brags about it but they all want to take her out and get with her. Where as im nice to boys, a little shy but if i like a boy he tends to know about it but they never like me, its always my mate. its worse when i like them tho and their like.. so whats your mates number.. thats a killer =[</p>
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		<title>By: Ectara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ectara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the &quot;He&quot; side. I also don&#039;t believe that the two sides should be able to comment on each other&#039;s views. It is their views, not picking apart someone else&#039;s to make a point. But back to the topic, I&#039;m going to be a little more mature than some of the others on this. It can be a great deal of stress trying to make the first move. I hate when females play hard to get. If you are easy, do so. Don&#039;t lie and waste my time; you aren&#039;t my type anyway. If you really have human emotions and take time to fall in love with someone, then welcome aboard. Now, what I have to say on this is that I would very much like if a female made the first move. The only thing that would scare me off if I didn&#039;t like a girl/didn&#039;t know a girl, and she made a move on me. That would show a little lack of inhibition, and I would lose interest in a girl of that type. So I can see where you are getting your results if you go on a date, and go straight for the gold right after practically just meeting him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the &#8220;He&#8221; side. I also don&#8217;t believe that the two sides should be able to comment on each other&#8217;s views. It is their views, not picking apart someone else&#8217;s to make a point. But back to the topic, I&#8217;m going to be a little more mature than some of the others on this. It can be a great deal of stress trying to make the first move. I hate when females play hard to get. If you are easy, do so. Don&#8217;t lie and waste my time; you aren&#8217;t my type anyway. If you really have human emotions and take time to fall in love with someone, then welcome aboard. Now, what I have to say on this is that I would very much like if a female made the first move. The only thing that would scare me off if I didn&#8217;t like a girl/didn&#8217;t know a girl, and she made a move on me. That would show a little lack of inhibition, and I would lose interest in a girl of that type. So I can see where you are getting your results if you go on a date, and go straight for the gold right after practically just meeting him.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to go with She, just based on personal experience. I&#039;m sure there are guys that like girls like that - hell, I&#039;ve known some of them - but I&#039;ve been told I come off as a domineering, bitchy snob to people who don&#039;t know me when I&#039;m just trying to be assertive. It probably doesn&#039;t help that I&#039;m 5&#039;10&quot; in flats... and I usually wear heels. Apparently I&#039;m intimidating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to go with She, just based on personal experience. I&#8217;m sure there are guys that like girls like that &#8211; hell, I&#8217;ve known some of them &#8211; but I&#8217;ve been told I come off as a domineering, bitchy snob to people who don&#8217;t know me when I&#8217;m just trying to be assertive. It probably doesn&#8217;t help that I&#8217;m 5&#8242;10&#8243; in flats&#8230; and I usually wear heels. Apparently I&#8217;m intimidating.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaida Rivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zaida Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jake and all the ones that says that is ok for the girl to make the first move. sometimes guys are afraid of rejection and even shy to ask. but before you made the first move make sure you know that they guy is interested too. i just did that with a guy that I know for years and he was very happy to come up with the plans for the weekend and said he was looking forward for that. like a dude out of De said,  when intentions are known it makes shit a hellalot easier…playing hard to get is for kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jake and all the ones that says that is ok for the girl to make the first move. sometimes guys are afraid of rejection and even shy to ask. but before you made the first move make sure you know that they guy is interested too. i just did that with a guy that I know for years and he was very happy to come up with the plans for the weekend and said he was looking forward for that. like a dude out of De said,  when intentions are known it makes shit a hellalot easier…playing hard to get is for kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Some dude out of DE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some dude out of DE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>further more, when intentions are known it makes shit a hellalot easier...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>further more, when intentions are known it makes shit a hellalot easier&#8230;</p>
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