Comments on: Who Cheats, and What Constitutes Cheating in the College World? http://collegecandy.com/2008/08/10/who-cheats-and-what-constitutes-cheating-in-the-college-world/ Advice on student style, collegiate dating discussion guides, relationship advice and women's studies. Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:52:35 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Wesley http://collegecandy.com/2008/08/10/who-cheats-and-what-constitutes-cheating-in-the-college-world/#comment-16353 Wesley Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:21:31 +0000 http://www.collegecandy.com/reality/10788#comment-16353 Nah, I definitely understand where Blair's coming from. I'm usually the ones to spur up study groups partly because I feel like I retain more through social interactions as well as further explanations from peers to get a feel for their logic and kind of do an impromptu comparison. The way I do it is, I ask for an explanation and write as I go. Especially being a bio major and trying to get into pharmacy school, learning to understand it is far more critical than copying it verbatim. Then, I usually reword it to my diction. And yeah, your friend probably sucks with time management but honestly, I ask my friends for help last minute too and yeah, I'll admit it's not a good feeling to know you're annoying your friends with last minute help but sometimes it's unavoidable for those just-realized "Shit! I just answered the wrong question" papers. Spoken from experience. (Yeah, I'm pretty lazy when it comes to proofreading and so are my friends.) Nah, I definitely understand where Blair’s coming from. I’m usually the ones to spur up study groups partly because I feel like I retain more through social interactions as well as further explanations from peers to get a feel for their logic and kind of do an impromptu comparison.

The way I do it is, I ask for an explanation and write as I go. Especially being a bio major and trying to get into pharmacy school, learning to understand it is far more critical than copying it verbatim. Then, I usually reword it to my diction.

And yeah, your friend probably sucks with time management but honestly, I ask my friends for help last minute too and yeah, I’ll admit it’s not a good feeling to know you’re annoying your friends with last minute help but sometimes it’s unavoidable for those just-realized “Shit! I just answered the wrong question” papers. Spoken from experience. (Yeah, I’m pretty lazy when it comes to proofreading and so are my friends.)

]]> By: T http://collegecandy.com/2008/08/10/who-cheats-and-what-constitutes-cheating-in-the-college-world/#comment-16352 T Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:58:48 +0000 http://www.collegecandy.com/reality/10788#comment-16352 Why aren't you helping your friend revise his drafts anymore? I don't see anything wrong with that. Unless it's obvious that he is just using you/your exact words (or if you're really busy), I think that refusing to help him is just mean. Why aren’t you helping your friend revise his drafts anymore? I don’t see anything wrong with that. Unless it’s obvious that he is just using you/your exact words (or if you’re really busy), I think that refusing to help him is just mean.

]]> By: Heather http://collegecandy.com/2008/08/10/who-cheats-and-what-constitutes-cheating-in-the-college-world/#comment-16351 Heather Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:17:06 +0000 http://www.collegecandy.com/reality/10788#comment-16351 yeah if i ever did need help from someone in a study group, and they offered the answer, id ask them to explain the whole thing to me before i wrote it down, instead of just worrying about the final exam later. but i think thats the point of a study group. yeah if i ever did need help from someone in a study group, and they offered the answer, id ask them to explain the whole thing to me before i wrote it down, instead of just worrying about the final exam later. but i think thats the point of a study group.

]]> By: Jeff http://collegecandy.com/2008/08/10/who-cheats-and-what-constitutes-cheating-in-the-college-world/#comment-16350 Jeff Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:43:21 +0000 http://www.collegecandy.com/reality/10788#comment-16350 I agree. I agree.

]]> By: Alex http://collegecandy.com/2008/08/10/who-cheats-and-what-constitutes-cheating-in-the-college-world/#comment-16349 Alex Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:38:15 +0000 http://www.collegecandy.com/reality/10788#comment-16349 Shrug. If the class is curved and your cheating on graded shit, you are a cheat and you are lame. If its not curved and you are cheating, you pay for college. You are only cheating yourself really. If you don't give yourself a chance to see if you know the material you'll never actually learn it. Shrug.

If the class is curved and your cheating on graded shit, you are a cheat and you are lame.

If its not curved and you are cheating, you pay for college. You are only cheating yourself really. If you don’t give yourself a chance to see if you know the material you’ll never actually learn it.

]]> By: S http://collegecandy.com/2008/08/10/who-cheats-and-what-constitutes-cheating-in-the-college-world/#comment-16348 S Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:38:12 +0000 http://www.collegecandy.com/reality/10788#comment-16348 I've participated in study groups. Yes, there are times where I've copied others' answers, but the same people have also copied answers off me. We don't do it because we think, 'oh, shit, this grader is really hard, let's find the smartest person and "work with them".' If and when we copy, it's because one of us is seriously swamped with work that week, and we understand and try to help each other through the tough times, with the understanding that reciprocity is available anytime. Clearly I'm biased, but I honestly don't think it's a huge deal. Maybe this is only true for my classes, but with all of the classes I've taken so far (not including humanities), the homework has counted for so little of the overall grade (5-20%) that if you copy homework and still don't know your material, it doesn't matter - you'll still get a C - if you don't fail. It's happened to friends, where they just copied problem sets week after week, only to fail the class. I think the line has to be drawn at the point at which people start to get grades they don't deserve. Grades should be a reflection of how well you know the material, which generally is reflected in how well you perform on tests. This past semester, there were two classes where I really only turned in about 2/3 of my problem sets, but I still got good grades because I honestly knew what I was doing. And there was another class where I knew I deserved a worse grade, as I got, because I never did any work for it and had no idea what was going on. I find that that's acceptable to my moral code. Anyone disagree? I’ve participated in study groups. Yes, there are times where I’ve copied others’ answers, but the same people have also copied answers off me. We don’t do it because we think, ‘oh, shit, this grader is really hard, let’s find the smartest person and “work with them”.’ If and when we copy, it’s because one of us is seriously swamped with work that week, and we understand and try to help each other through the tough times, with the understanding that reciprocity is available anytime.

Clearly I’m biased, but I honestly don’t think it’s a huge deal. Maybe this is only true for my classes, but with all of the classes I’ve taken so far (not including humanities), the homework has counted for so little of the overall grade (5-20%) that if you copy homework and still don’t know your material, it doesn’t matter – you’ll still get a C – if you don’t fail. It’s happened to friends, where they just copied problem sets week after week, only to fail the class.

I think the line has to be drawn at the point at which people start to get grades they don’t deserve. Grades should be a reflection of how well you know the material, which generally is reflected in how well you perform on tests. This past semester, there were two classes where I really only turned in about 2/3 of my problem sets, but I still got good grades because I honestly knew what I was doing. And there was another class where I knew I deserved a worse grade, as I got, because I never did any work for it and had no idea what was going on. I find that that’s acceptable to my moral code. Anyone disagree?

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