also, i'm such a paranoid person that i thought that i was pregnant for about 2 weeks after i had sex and the condom broke, and it was not easy having to think about my options. after seeing people ruin their lives having kids i knew i couldn't do that though, especially being only on my second year of college.

I can honestly say that I have never been in that situation, and hopefully I never will. I am very careful with my long term partner, have gotten tested, practice safe sex. I would die an old women if I took the advice to simply “not have sex to not get pregnant” I hope that I will never get the chance to have a child. I simply do not want one.

However, if I am ever faced with that possibility, I can say without shame, without fear of faceless haters here on this blog site that I would choose for MY right to live.

Despite the coments that getting pregnant is completely avoidable, do you remember the printed lines on the package that male and female birth control methods, even when practiced together with 100% accuracy and devotion, is NEVER 100%. There IS a chance that even with male sterilization, a women could still get pregnant.

To suggest that I would abort simply because I want to ignore my “responbilities” and continue on in my ignorant selfishness is beyond my ability to describe. I would never ever make the choice to abort because I wanted an easier life.

I have a heart condition, whereas my heart doctor sat me down and explained to me that if I got pregnant and went through with having the child, that I would die. No if’s ands or buts here. I WILL die. I will leave my husband without a wife, and a child without his/her mother, a family without their daughter/sister/neice. A pack of loyal friends with their friend. A hospital with one less nurse. A life that is no more.

Tell me the agony that I would have to endure. Knowing that because someone tells me that I would be committing “murder”, I would have to die. That someone would tell me to my internet/real face that it would/must be fate/God’s/fill in your deitys name here that I DIE in order to have this child is nothing I can describe.

You tell me I must cut my life short for an accident? For something that I did not choose for myself? That because I was faithful in protecting myself from this chance from happening that I must die?
I cannot even have the operation to remove my uterus because it would be so risky to my person. I would bleed out on the operating table so quickly that there would be nothing for the doctors to do but let me die. In under 5 minutes.

Do not presume that I am selfish, or irresponsible, to think of MY life as well. Do not presume that it would be such an easy choice for me. Do NOT presume under that guise of religous ferver and YOUR personal sense of right and wrong what would be the right choice for me. You are not me.

I am just as entitled to my life as well.

Do not judge me. I do not, and will never judge you for your beleifs, your sense of rights and wrongs, your moral base.

Do not judge mine.

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…sorry I tend to get a little ahead of myself.

Yes, what about the FUTURE women, you know, the ones that HALF (or more) the aborted babies would have been?

How about supporting ALL humans, especially those that have no choice at all?

"Pro life is selfish…"

Hmmmm, so, my kids make it harder for me to live my life the way I did before I had them, cost too much, make messes, and require my attention daily.It is harder to socialize, work and get educated. I can no longer do whatever I want, whenever I want. So,I will just quietly get rid of them,drop them at the Children's Services Office, cry about how much it hurts me to do so, then convince myself everyone is better off. No matter that they suffer in foster homes. What's that? Their FATHER? None of his business. I don't care what other people say. I have the right to do whatever I want with my children. They are no more than an extension of me.

Now, what if I KILLED them? How PRO CHOICE would YOU be?

The taking of a human life because it is inconvenient is beyond selfish. It is disgusting.

Sorry to get off topic. At least it's still a life and death issue.

I understand that mainstream Western society looks upon suicide unfavourably, likely due to the Christian dogma that underlies the development of most of Western culture

However, there are a number of cultures throughout the world that support suicide at a certain point in someone's life. In some Polar Native cultures, elders conciously make the choice to be killed humanely by the members of their clan when that elder no longer feels that he or she is contributing positively to the group. Same goes for any other member at any other age. Obviously, it is discussed in the community before the suicide occurs, but the group supports that individual's decision to end their life.

Some other circum-polar aboriginal groups also apply social justice on the family level. If there is someone who is aggressively attacking/raping/murdering other members of the community to the point where he/she has become unmanagable, their family has the social onus to either solve the situation or kill the offender. It is an understood social contract, and first-hand stories indicate that the offender is rarely surprised by their impending death. Rather, it is openly accepted from a senior male member of the clan.

Source: anthropology class 2 years ago, involving a heckuv a lot of reading

So, just wanted to note that other societies apart from our Western version have different perceptions of suicide than we do…
http://www.finalexit.org/pract-swiss.html

Amy said: “I think it’s pretty despicable that you would sacrifice a woman for a fetus, for something that is little more than potential.”

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I didn’t write you are quoting. Although I assume you are taking what I said to an implicated conclusion.

To be honest, I don’t kow how to say what I’d like say without sounding to abrupt or ticked off.

I wish that men would respect women more. I wish that young men (and our culture as a whole) would see women as future spouses, mothers and friends. Would I tell my friend, sister or daughter (or my mother when she was a young woman) that I think it’s best for her to have sex with “who ever” outside of a comitted relationship (i.e. marriage)? Should I tell my brother or my son that it’s ok to have sex with a woman when ever he feels like? Is it proper for a man, even with permission, to be sexually active with a woman who is not his spouse? I know it sounds “prudish” to say so, but what do we expect to get from a culture that won’t hold itself to a higher moral standard?

Unfortunately, it seems that where the morals and boundries of women go, so goes the culture. There is a quote attributed to Mae West that says, “When a girl goes bad – men go right after her.”. I think there is some truth to that. I think that when the woman says we shouldn’t, they wouldn’t. Not saying that it’s totally or only up to the woman.

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Amy said: “And to say that women who get pregnant shouldn’t have had sex if they weren’t prepared to have a child is like saying you shouldn’t drive a car if you aren’t prepared to crash and die.”

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That would be an implicated conclusion deserving of a stand ovation. I said nothing like that, or even close to it.

Actually, I feel horrible for women that feel they have to make that decision. I wish that they didn’t. I wish that somebody had used their head before getting themselves into that situation (and I’m talking about the guy too). I’m not putting my head in the sand here, “stuff happens”.

So how do we promote that we should “think about it” before getting to the point of having sex? We talk about sex like it was going out of style. We go on about how we want less abortions, but federally support clinics that provide abotion services. We say we want abortions to be “safe, legal and…”. Well, we used to say “rare” anyways. Now it’s just “safe and legal”. Groups fight against “parental notification laws”, yet hold these unaware parents accountable for the choices that they don’t even know that their children are making.

I would venture to guess that in the majority of cases, these frightened young women feel the weight of disappointment, shame and embarassement that they imagine their parents would have. They fear losing the love and support of the people around them. In the majority of cases, I think that most parents know that “stuff happens”. Angry, upset, dissapointed? You bet. Kill it, quick!?!? Hmmm. I think that the majority of parents would be supportive. Cases where parents are not supportive?! You bet! Let’s be there as a society to support those women as best we can. I personally don’t think that the best way to support them is to provide for an abortion.

Let’s say that somebody wishes to commit suicide. Perhaps they’ve done something they’re not proud of and are facing insurmountable consequences. Or perhaps they are mentally ill, and don’t like or are having difficulty managing their medications. Or perhaps they are old. Or deppressed. Or sick. Or, heck, they just don’t see the point in living anymore. Would the acceptable thing be to support “safe suicide centers” where people can come in and have “safe and legal” suicides? Is it heartless of me to think that I should want somebody to potentially be the victim of a botched suicide attempt? That family members would be faced with the horror of finding their loved one dead, rather than providing for a death that’s safe, legal and effective? Aren’t there problems that exist, that got them to that point, that we should be addressing? May not there be on going issues that we should be addressing also? Is it sane to say that we should support suicide? Some people do think that it’s sane. In my opinion, it’s not.

By the way, people do die in car accidents. You should know that. You should want others to know that too. When you drive on the opposite side of the road, accidents are even more likely to happen.

I don't understand the people who make hate comments to people who have to undergo abortions though. Like the trauma of losing what could have been a baby isn't enough, without others condemning them for it.

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