Kevin says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20097:15 am 

Awesome….I do not get how gay she thinks people are harming our country. She says she feels attacked by the gay agenda and needs to promote better values. How is suppression an American Value? I do not believe the gay community is forcing an agenda on anyone, they are merely trying to achieve the same rights as straight people, and enter into lawful marriages. As a straight person I do not feel attacked in any way by this. Miss Prejean needs to go away, and so do all the haters…awesome job on this article.

Ron says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20097:47 am 

I do not see anything wrong with what Miss Cal. said. Everybody has a right to there beliefs. I also believe a marriage is betwee a man and a woman. If the otheres want some kind of civil thing that is ok.

K says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20098:07 am 

she just wants attention. oh and I read that she got breast implants just before the miss USA pageant! shana moakler even said the miss california boards paid for it

Casey says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20098:09 am 

Well, why wouldn't she retaliate against Perez? I'm sure she was hurt by all of the things he said, and in return she is using her beliefs to hurt him and people that agree with him, the homosexuals. People are out there campaigning for gay marriage, why wouldn't we have people out there campaigning against it too, everyone has their beliefs and a right to fight for what they believe in. Just because you don't agree doesn't make them wrong. But I think the majority will side with Miss. California.

And how did this turn into an argument on poor self esteem in women due to beauty pageants? I hate how everyone says that beauty pageants and celebrities portray unattainable body images. No people just don't want to work their assess off to attain that image, like celebrities and beauty pageant contestants do. If it is important to you to have that body, then you'd work for it. But a lot of people don't want to. That doesn't make it unattainable. And people who have low-self esteem, and eating disorders because of it, well that's not because of unattainable body images, it's because they have a problem. Eating disorders are a psychological disease. Low-self esteem is a psychological issue and more often than not there is something else underlying the problem than just media portrayals of "perfect" women.

So can we PLEASE stop attacking pageants and media! It's just an excuse to cover up an even bigger problem. And it's not helping anyone! I guarantee once those so called "unattainable" body images go away the low- self esteem and eating disorders will still be there.

So stop attacking this woman because of her beliefs and trying to cover it up with something else. It's just sad.

Kelly says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20099:35 am 

"I do not see anything wrong with what Miss Cal. said. Everybody has a right to there beliefs. I also believe a marriage is betwee a man and a woman. If the otheres want some kind of civil thing that is ok."

Not only does your nonexistent logic hurt my head, your lack of proper spelling and grammar leads me to not even place any weight on what your saying. Learn to spell before airing your homophobic views on the Internet.

snarktastic says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20099:48 am 

my name is kelly and i like to insult people for their grammar when i can't even differentiate between your/you're. FAIL.

and yes, everyone is entitled to their beliefs. miss california is certainly entitled to believe that – a large number of americans do. but she's freakin' annoying and probably not the best representative of an ideology. and good GOD do the fake boobs send out a horrible message.

chelle says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20099:56 am 

kelly's comment made my laugh my ass off first of all hahha

and secondly… while i think carrie's opinion is well, just that, i do have a problem with starting a campaign to shove her christian beliefs down other peoples throats. i have a HUGE problem with all of this i'm beyond disgusted with people going out of their way to put restrictions on love thats between to consenting adults. why don't you spend all of that money and time and trying to help the sick or the hungry.. there are so many good things that could be done with all of that money you raised to spead hate.

Positively Present says:
Thu, 30th Apr 200910:02 am 

I'm already totally against pagents and now I'm REALLY against them. Love California, but I'm definitely NOT a fan of Miss California. I also LOLed at Kelly's comment. So true.

http://positivelypresent.typepad.com

Jenna says:
Thu, 30th Apr 200910:09 am 

I can't think of anything more OPPOSED to traditional values than discrimination of a group of people by taking away equal rights (in this case, homosexuals).

I thought America was based on the belief that all men and women are created equal and, therefore, all deserve the same opportunities and the right to lead their private lives

Also, I hate that most arguments against gay marriage come from an antiquated part of the Bible (yes, Leviticus is antiquated; when was the last time you sacrificed a cow on our front lawn? Or stayed out of church because, by having your period, you were unholy?). Not to mention that arguments based on religious perspectives violate separation of church and state.

Caroline says:
Thu, 30th Apr 200910:16 am 

I am from Vermont. I have been a believer in marriage for everyone since I was a child, and I was beyond thrilled when my state legislature became the first to pass a bill legalizing gay marriage.

I also compete in beauty pageants- I'll be competing for Miss Vermont this coming summer, and I am very frustrated that people are lumping Miss California USA in with the rest of us who are a part of the pageant community.

First, let me point out that there is a HUGE difference between Miss USA and Miss America. Miss USA is owned by Donald Trump, is run for profit, and judges girls based almost entirely on their looks.

Miss America is a non profit organization that awards millions of dollars in scholarship money to young women each year, and 60% of your score is based on your talent and your interview.

Choosing to participate in the Miss America system has been one of the most rewarding decisions I have made. I'm hardly your "typical" pageant girl (I love to read, watch sci-fi movies, and heck- I'm from VERMONT- not exactly the most 'pageanty' state in the country), but neither is Miss California USA. Almost every girl I've met through pageants have been incredibly nice, talented, well spoken, and intelligent. They are not closed minded women who "prance around in a bikini with a spray tan and breast implants". I was incredibly insulted by this.

While I firmly disagree with the stance Miss California USA has taken, and disagree even more with her promotion of her 'cause', this article is offensive to me, and to many young women I know. There is absolutely no need to insult a group of people you CLEARLY know nothing about just to attack one person- who frankly, most of the pageant community has been distancing itself from.

So please, don't be a jerk. Express your opinion without insulting people you've never met, or organizations you're ignorant about.

aa says:
Thu, 30th Apr 200910:59 am 

Religion defines marriage. State defines marriage. When a religious man and a religious woman ( i use that term loosely; basically they were baptized into a religion) get married, they are under God. So, this leaves out those who are atheist and gay. However, they are still married based on the State's terms. When in a country that was designed to keep the church and state separate, why are we trying to instill religious values into the Constitution? By doing so, we are getting rid of our basic freedoms that the very Constitution is supposed to give us. Freedom of religion. How is that giving us the freedom by saying that gays can not get married.

And another thing. When God's word is to treat EVERYONE like you would treat him, are people against gay marriage saying that they would deny the right of marriage to God? Gays are humans too with feelings and emotions–with love!! There are many versions of the Bible; books were even left out based on editing or they were destroyed/ruined. So who cares if they want to be united with someone of the same sex?! How is that harming you? This is like saying that someone who is white cannot marry someone who is black. Its the same notion of discrimination. It is not any different. Being gay isn't necessarily a choice. There have been scientific studies saying it can be biochemical.

I can care less that Miss Cal. USA has that title and competed in a beauty pageant. Some very intelligent people have. Lets not knock them. However, I feel that the people who are to blame are the ones that allowed her to go onto national TV and compete for the title. Some people need to stop instilling being discriminatory and stop this body image ordeal in its tracks. When was there a time that an overweight, beautiful girl competed on national TV for a beauty pageant? A role model is one for ALL girls to look up to… every single one, whether they are straight, bi, or gay.

Natalie says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20091:06 pm 

This kind of crap cuts deep. Everyone always wonders why there is such a thing as the Gay Pride Parades, well here is your answer. You want to campaign against my choices in life, fine, let me campaign against yours.

Jackie says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20092:18 pm 

Marriage should be between two people that love each other, not just a man and a woman. btw gay people are awesome in my book! I believe they`re not hurting anyone and if they want to get married they should be able to. Those Bible thumpers need to cut that crap out!

Casey says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20092:47 pm 

aa, Actually, this country was not designed to keep church and state separate, AT ALL! Go to Washington D.C. Look around. How many places can you find the ten commandments? The bricks that make up the Washington Monument have bible versus, scriptures, holy symbols ALL OVER THEM. Our laws are based largely on christian law. The national anthem that we all said every day in school says, "one nation under god" the founding fathers quoted bible verses, and spoke of God and Christianity constantly!

In grade school we learn that our country was founded for religious freedom. But that is not the case. Pick up a history book, or hell pick up an early American lit book. The founders of this country prosecuted anyone who wasn't a protestant. This country was founded by protestants who wanted freedom to practice THEIR religion, not freedom for all religions. As time goes on history gets re-written to fit today's standards. Read any early American writings like Cotton Mather, John Winthrop, or Mary Rowlandson and this is very evident.

The fact is this country was founded by Christians for God, but that is no longer relevant today.

Kevin says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20093:17 pm 

Casey..ooo…Casey,

First off, using religious symbols in our government does not signify that our country was founded as some type of theocracy in which religion was an aspect of government. All it means is that the people who founded the country were religious, and being anything but religious carried the death penalty in many European countries (the founders of the Americas were all European), in essence forcing people to be religious. Also, Thomas Jefferson, the architect of the Declaration of Independence, a document that has as its core meaning total freedom (religious also), was a noted religious skeptic. With the Declaration, the Constitution also stresses the fact that religion and matters of state have no place being together, i.e. many churches in the United States hold tax-exempt status.

The people you cite to back up your theory that this country was founded as a theocracy all lived close to 100 years before the signing of the Declaration of Independence, the document that created this country. Perhaps, the origins of the Americas have their beginning in strict religious adherence, but not the United States. The fact that you try to manipulate history to try and make yourself look smarter is atrocious. Before you begin an argument make sure you have your facts straight. The reason this country is so great is because FROM ITS INCEPTION it has allowed all those who seek freedom from persecution to find refuge, and the fact that you try to deny this through your conservative mantra is more Un-American than the Gay community trying to seek equal rights.

criolle johnny says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20093:36 pm 

Whyinthehell is government regulating marriage in the first place? Pardon my stand on that "separation of church and state" thing, but "Marriage", by definition is a SACRAMENT.

Ya know, things like, "Baptism, Communion, Marriage". These things are all, by the nature of our Constitution, the provenance of "Religion" and no business whatsoever of "Government".

We could have avoided this whole damn problem if "gub'mint" had kept it's big nose out of the church and sacrament business.

Pardon my rant.

criolle johnny

The Czech Daily Word says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20095:08 pm 

Being from Europe makes me much more open-minded than an average American (no offense to liberals, really), so that makes me about three times as outraged. First, HOW is anyone’s opposite-sex marriage hurt in terms of values by someone else’s same-sex marriage? And second, if this fake-boobed bimbo really wants to save traditional marriages, she should start with opposite-sex marriages that do not work out. Honestly, a couple that has separate beds and pays $300/hr for shrinks (each) needs help much much more…

Casey says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20095:33 pm 

Ah, thank you Beth! That is very refreshing to hear.

And Kevin, my post was not to make myself sound smart, or to even put anyone down, but merely to state some of the theories that I have been taught (in college non-the-less) since really, there is no way to know if what we are being told is correct. History is manipulated all the time, writings are changed, there is no solid proof of anything. None of us lived hundreds of years ago, so really, none of us will ever know how it went down. And I wasn't talking about the founders of the constitution but the founders of America (the protestants, the original ones that came here) That is why I referenced those people. And Yes, everyone was extremely religious back then, like I said, nothing that was in the beginning is still relevant today.

But I guess you put me in my place, sorry for being so wrong. I'll make sure to do my research better next time.

Casey says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20095:44 pm 

Oh and I wasn't denying the fact that the constitution accepts everyone of all religions, race, orientation, etc. Duh! that is common knowledge. I only said the protestants that founded the country did not found it for religious freedom, but freedom of THEIR religion. (Jeez, do I have to repeat myself EVERY time I make a post on this site! Ugh!) THAT is proven in writings from the people I mentioned. But like I said, writing can be changed.

Jes says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20097:00 pm 

Also, the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights use the words "Nature's God" and many other Deistic words, not Christian references or Jesus Christ.

Its a generalistic reference to God, because these guys weren't Christians, but I'm sure whenever anyone hears "God" they atuomatically assume their idea of God… which is good, until we presume it means something it doesnt.

Also, as far as American writers, Thomas Paine (HUGE Deist) is an American writer MUCH closer to the time of the founding of the US, not Mary Rowlandson, etc. They were back in the early days when the country was not yet established and they were still answering to a village preacher to determine who was holy or who should be hung for their transgressions. Thank god that didnt last.

Good factual post Kevin!

Amy says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20097:12 pm 

Casey…are you kidding me? Did you really cite Cotton "Salem Witch Trials" Mather as an example of our country's rich religious history? Kevin is absolutely right; the Puritans had nothing to do with the founding of our country. The founders of our country actually…you know…declared independence from England. Just living in isolated little colonies doesn't count. By that logic, Native Americans founded our country too.

So sorry to ruin your pleasant little narrative, but the founders of our country weren't thinking about God when they decided to break free…maybe fair taxes, freedom of expression, a democratic government based on checks and balances, but not God. Our laws are based on British common law, not the Bible–that's why you'll notice a lot of our laws are actually the result of court cases, like it is in Britain, rather than actually written down. Like the 2006 case that deemed forcing students to recite the pledge of allegiance (the one with "under God" in it; our anthem starts with "Oh, say can you see…").

I'm confused by your argument, Casey. You concede the Constitution accepts everyone of all religions, races, and orientations. So either the opinions of our "founders" matter or they don't. If they don't, why is it so important to prove to us that this country is Christian, founded for God? The Constitution trumps all. And if they do–then we better go fix up that thing we call the Constitution, shouldn't we?

Myah says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20098:44 pm 

I’m pansexual, and I didn’t mind what she said before cause I thought she was stating her own personal preferences. But now that she is campaigning against gay marrage—that’s a whole new level!

criolle johnny says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20098:51 pm 

I would also invite Ms Casey’s attention to the “Fundamental Constitution” of The Carolinas established by the Lords Proprietors in 1669. They invited people of all religions, including “Jews, heathens, and other dissenters”! Furthermore,
“any seven or more persons agreeing in any religion, shall constitute a church”.
This is the state so often noted as the “buckle in the Bible Belt”.
Baltimore was established as a Catholic colony.
I believe that pokes two very large holes in your “Protestant only” theory.

… but that’s just my opinion.

criolle johnny

Beth says:
Thu, 30th Apr 20099:57 pm 

It pisses me off to no end that someone cannot state their own conservative beliefs without being called a homophobic bigot.

It is perfectly acceptable to disagree with a person’s personal choices- respect the individual, but choose to believe in traditional values.

Why does everybody get their panties in a twist when someone stands up for something that is against the latest thing being shoved down our throats on a daily basis?

If marriage were intended to be between a same-sex couple, a same-sex couple would be able to procreate naturally. However, they cannot.

And yeah, Kelly, don’t go criticizing somebody else’s grammatical errors when you cannot type a grammatically correct post yourself. Get off your high horse.

Yes, I have many gay friends, and all of them know my stance on homosexual marriage. However, being adults, we are able to agree to disagree and go about being friends. Maybe sometime you should try it.

Jes says:
Thu, 30th Apr 200911:51 pm 

While I respect your opinion Casey ( we usually agree on a LOT of things- except politics! lol) I MUST back these guys up on the whole “America was founded on Christian beliefs thing” because I totally get that from my Gpa all the time to support his views on gay marriage.

Many of the Protestants that originally came here actually went back to Europe when our founders decided to actually go to war with the Crown. They were Deists (which is what my boyfriend is, so I know a bit about it) and most of them (ie. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington) loathed the Christian faith (along with others) and were firm supporters of keeping people’s rights away from being dictated by any religous doctrine or set of beliefs.

Thats awesome because it allows those of us who WANT to practice and abide by those beliefs to freely do so, but more importantly its (supposed to) ENSURE that every American has the right to equal rights and freedoms FROM the church. (If we were forced to do that I would’ve been stoned a long time ago for being raped when I was younger… puke.)

I’m all for equal marriage, although I personally (as a straight woman) would NEVER want to get married by a clergyman or IN a church, but I think Americans deserve the right to have that title and the rights that come with it. (ie. visitation rights in hospitals, joint mortages, health care plans, etc) I dont think many gay people would want to get married by a Christian church that openly despises them. So Im not really sure how that infringes on their beliefs.

People of every religion get married: Hindus, Buddists, Muslims, its not exclusive of the Christian religion, so they cant really claim its infringing on their rights to hold marriage as their own, or all other religions should be banned from getting married in the U.S. as well… (imo)

Also- as far as “hurting” traditional American marriages….

HOW MANY FAILED GOD-AWFUL STRAIGHT MARRIAGES ARE THERE? MORE THAN HEALTHY ONES!! The divorce rate is staggering! Child molesters, wife-beaters, cheaters… Im sick of hearing this sanctity of marriage crap.. Its not like straight marriages are anywhere close to being at a higher standard of living that anyone can honestly even say that…. It baffles me.

Whew. Okay, glad I got that frustration out! haha

Thanks Casey for sharing your opinions though, I do respect them, even we dont agree!! LOL

Suz says:
Fri, 1st May 20096:57 am 

Obama said he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman, so shouldn't you also be campaigning against him? So many forgot that he said that, Miss California is such an easy target for most of you. And gross that you would use her breast implants as a representation of her character. In case you are not aware many girls get breast implants, some even get them as a present from their parents. Don't be so bitter, peagents have always been about the most beautiful girl so get over it. If you wanna argue for gay marriage thats fine, but dont attack her character and views because you think otherwise. And just for the record young girls should have positive role models in the home not on television. Parents are there for a reason, and if they raise a child with low self-esteem thats not Miss Californias problem. And since your campaiging against Miss California, you should also campaign against Perez Hilton. He is the reason why people get the wrong ideas about the gay community. If I didn't know about gay people other than Perez I would probably not like them because he is a self-rightious pig who represents the gay community very poorly.

Jes says:
Fri, 1st May 20097:49 am 

The reason her implants are relevant is simply because she's using Christian doctrine to support her claims. Which some may view as hypocritical.

But what isn't hypocritical nowdays, really…

Arguing logic about this is clearly pointless, when people pick and choose what they want to believe/follow/enforce when it comes to religion and people's morality.

Thats why its so incredibly stupid to support any anti-gay sentiment with Christianity unless you're freaking Amish and care to enfore the REST of the Bible upon yourselves and non-Christians alike here in America.

Get back to me when you've given up all the things in there that are acceptable nowdays- i.e. divorce, remarriage, long beards, makeup, premarital sex… do we really need to elaborate?

Jes says:
Fri, 1st May 20097:50 am 

Oh god, dont forget birth control!! Devil's work..

Jes says:
Fri, 1st May 20097:53 am 

I'm sorry, according to many Christians in America, Catholic's (who have the problem with BC) aren't really going to heaven anyways, becuase they pray to idols (Mary, the Saints)

God, I hate religion and hypocrisy more than anything. If Jesus were here he'd be so damn depressed with this crap.

Basically- to end my tirade- Dont use freakin' religion as your support for discrimination of others who 'offend' you…

I mean I know its easy, because its historically THE backbone for most discrimintaion, but hey, we should all be a little smarter nowdays, dont ya think?

Guess not,…

Jes says:
Fri, 1st May 20098:27 am 

Oh believe me I know… half of my family is Roman Catholic, and the other half is Southern Baptist.

They're all equally ridiculous, especially when they argue about who's going to hell first… lol

Aislinn says:
Fri, 1st May 20098:28 am 

Everybody just shutup and let people marry or "civilly unite" with whomever they please.

Jes says:
Fri, 1st May 20098:29 am 

Somehow I always end up at the top of that list… LOL

Aislinn says:
Fri, 1st May 20098:30 am 

Also, if "opposite marriage" was working out so well we wouldn't have so many babies up for adoption. Gay people can't procreate, but they can certainly adopt the babies all the straight people didn't want.

Casey says:
Fri, 1st May 20098:36 am 

Jess, I just want to thank you for being a pleasant debater/ informer, that doesn't get your panties in a wad over differing opinions. I'm so glad there is someone out there trying to make this world a happier place.

Jes says:
Fri, 1st May 20099:52 am 

Thanks Casey! I really do try… I guess I just get shouted at enough around here… lol

I do pretty well until someone starts personally attacking me. Then the claws come out… haha Thanks for not taking my comments personally either!

molly says:
Fri, 1st May 200910:14 am 

Nice Jes, very intelligent. You too Aislinn.

I really do think it's strange that people conveniently cite the bible as "how it's supposed to be", but just like jenna aptly pointed out, we no longer sacrifice animals, have SLAVES, multiple wives, and I am certain most of you are wearing some sort of a cotton blend right now…which was cause for stoning once upon a time, did you know?

The bible is only used when it's convenient for you to support your antiquated beliefs, which is fine by me, but you'd better damn well be consistent when bashing other peoples rights to happiness.

Casey says:
Fri, 1st May 20091:16 pm 

Catholics don’t pray to idols, we ask them to pray for us. Like you would ask a friend to pray for you. We also don’t worship Mary. We thank her for being Jesus’s mother and ask her to pray for us as well. That is a very common misconception.

Casey says:
Fri, 1st May 20094:24 pm 

Ha ha! I know exactly what you mean! I think I am shouted at more than anyone on this site But I love it, I think I learn something new every time I visit. Which is why I still do.

Randy Lyken says:
Sun, 3rd May 20093:44 am 

The only reason that Carrie Prejean is stating her beliefs is because she will get more talk show offers(OReiley, Beck, Hanratty,etc.) and get big bucks on the speaking tours! Like her or not, shes no dummy.

Kendall says:
Sun, 3rd May 20096:40 am 

Life is short, and it really depresses me that people are wasting precious time trying to control the lives of others when they should be out exploring the amazing world we live in. You can spend however much you want on implants, but in the end you will end up in the same grave as everyone else…so spend that money on something that will bring joy into your life (instead of attention from all the wrong people)..unless fake boobs is one of your life goals.

If there was a god as described in the bible, who loves everyone equally, then gay marriage shouldn't even need to be debated, it should have been implemented long ago.

Live your life exactly how you want as long as you don't hurt others', and I will live mine.

THE PROPHET says:
Mon, 4th May 20091:57 pm 

girls hate gays more than anyone. its in theirn nature to look down upon guys their not attracted to. you can say you feel a certqain way but you cant gewt away from the fact allgirls hate gays. its DAARWINISM and if you dont believe ask anyh social biologist.

Casey says:
Mon, 4th May 20098:14 pm 

The Prophet, Then why are there "fag hags" You know, girls that are best friends and obsessed with gay guys? I know soooo many girls who LOVE gay guys, and are best friends with multiple gay guys. I know more men who have problem with homosexuals than women. So that debunks your theory.

KC says:
Tue, 5th May 200910:26 am 

agreed. 100%

it's not about her opinion (because she is entitled to it and I am glad she had the guts to share it) but it's about the media whore she became.

perez is a media whore, but then again it's his job to be one. casey needs to get back to more beneficial endeavors, not campaigning against gay marriage.

Jes says:
Tue, 5th May 200910:32 am 

Casey, don't even fall for this guy's antagonizing.

He's just trying to get a rise out of people…. People habitually do this on here just to see if anyone will actually bite.

Jes says:
Tue, 5th May 20093:32 pm 

Casey, don’t even fall for this guy’s antagonizing.

He’s just trying to get a rise out of people…. People habitually do this on here just to see if anyone will actually bite.

Casey says:
Tue, 5th May 20097:04 pm 

Oh I know, I just can't resist it. lol

KC, Were you talking about me? I'm not campaigning against gay marriage. WTF?!

Rick says:
Thu, 7th May 20093:51 pm 

Let see if I understand… It's ok to campaign FOR gay marriage like Perez Hilton but you can't campaign AGAINST it?

Yay, democracy!

Susan says:
Sun, 10th May 20091:42 pm 

Wow, can you say hypocrite? I second what Rick says. I have the freedom of speech, too, and if I don’t want to support gay marriage I don’t have to. Marriage never has and never will be a human right. Once you figure out how to produce a baby from nothing but sperm without medical science, then you can get married. Until then, I don’t give a crap what you do in your bedroom so long as I don’t have to see or teach it to my kids or taught by schools. Keep your bedroom politics off of my family values. And go ahead and fantasize that I’m some right-winger Bible beater. I voted Obama and I haven’t been to church since I was 5.

Local Lawyer says:
Mon, 11th May 20095:18 am 

When did the Miss California Organization "pay for" the enlargement of her breasts? The now-famous topless picture (from the side, with n covered) of her at age 17 does not look like a girl who needed implants.

Besides, you pro-homosexuals ought not be so against her. She has since said publically that she has many homosexual friends who she "sees everyday." And, she was quick to add that she doesn't want to "offend" homosexuals. Maybe she's the John McCain of the "right," just not "right" enough to be right.