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Ok, so a lot of you didn’t like us ripping into California yesterday – we get it. And we’re sorry for being mean and rude and stereotypical, but we were just. so. angry. This whole Prop 8 thing has us really heated up – we can’t sleep, we can’t work, and we can’t stop drowning our anger and tears in whatever food happens to be in our sights (yes, that includes a near frozen waffle).

We are just baffled by some people’s blatant disrespect for others, not to mention their need to control something that has nothing to do with them. We really feel that sexuality is fluid, that anyone (yup, even you) could one day find yourself in love with someone of the same sex…and that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Because this topic is so near and dear to our hearts right now – and since we don’t have the money to fly out to California and beat those idiots into submission – we thought we’d have a chat with our boys about sexuality. Granted, our boy doesn’t speak for all boys (especially on this topic), but he is always so insightful. And he was the only one awake this morning at 4am when we couldn’t sleep and needed someone to vent to while we shoveled pudding into our mouths to heal our battered hearts…

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Got something you want our dude to discuss? Let us know in the comments below and we’ll be sure to get his thoughts!

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    1. Kristina says:

      I'm glad to see so many people taking a stand against Prop. 8. I do think it's a bit unfair to rip on California though. It's not the entire state's fault, after all. No entire group should be blamed for a smaller sub-group's actions.

      On the "dating a guy who's dated a guy" issue, my current boyfriend is bi, and had never dated a girl before me. For me, it's a non-issue (actually, it makes me happy that I was his first girl), but that may also be because we were close friends before we started dating, so the issue of him dating boys was already established.

    2. Willy says:

      You wants civil, shit all right.

      Just forget the marriage thang..

    3. Casey says:

      Proposition 8 was voted on by normal everyday U.S citizens. And since it passed it means enough people disagree with the homosexual lifestyle for it to still be illegal for them to get married. There IS a reason that sooooo many people are against it, and it's not because they want to "control what other people do", or to discriminate, but I'll leave it up to you to figure out why.

    4. Willy says:

      don't want dem boys poking each other in the arse or dem girls slapping and licksens dem kittys up..

    5. Chelzz says:

      Can someone tell me exactly why people support Prop 8? Cause thats the main thing I don't understand. I keep hearing that Carrie Prejean " It was the way I was brought up and I was taught this…" bullcrap.

      Makes me think some people need to understand it has nothing to do with them.

    6. Lisa says:

      While I kind of understand why they decided to keep the verdict the way it was, because of the vote….I don't understand why basic human rights were put to a vote in the first place.

    7. Kalyn says:

      Marriage isn't a fundamental right, period.

      If that's what the voters of California want, so be it. Homosexual couples can get all of the same privileges under existing CA law. Why get so riled up about the word "marriage"?

    8. Amber says:

      First of all, homosexual couples do NOT get all of the same rights and privileges under existing CA law as heterosexual married couples.

      Second, the word "marriage" would mean nothing to me, or anybody else, if the benefits really did apply to everyone.

      I can definitely understand why certain churches wouldn't want to marry gay couples in their church, and, by me, that's totally fine, because of that whole, seperation of church from the state thing.

      Which SHOULD HAVE APPLIED when a religous-based argument fuled a fire to get civil liberties of the minority taken away.

      But if a gay couple wants to get married at city hall or where ever by who ever, they should be able to. Period.

      And I think it's bullshit that the supreme court upheld the decision. I really thought equal rights would beat out an argument based on religion and the fact that people are just uncomfortable with picturing two men having sex.

      Fuck you California? No.

      Fuck you California Supreme Court? Yes. Up the ass, preferably.

    9. Kalyn says:

      The argument wasn't based on religion. The issue at hand was whether or not the people of California could amend their Constitution by a vote.

      The people of California have a right to keep marriage as it always has been. Furthermore, just because homosexuals are a minority and rights are involved does not mean they are entitled to these rights. Nudists are a minority, and they don't get to walk around naked, do they? No, because the people would prefer that they didn't.

      I have no problem with homosexuality, but I also respect democracy. If homosexuals want to regain their right to call themselves "married", they ought to do it by democratic means.

      I, personally hope this goes to the Supreme Court. If these justices have any bit of legal rationale, the issue will be solved once and for all.

    10. Matt says:

      I dont understand what the big deal is. The issue was put to a vote and the people have spoken. This issue was dealt with in the most democratic way possible by having all citizens vote. A majority of people agree that gay marraige should not be allowed. Could you imagine the flipside if the homos won and others were asking for a revote? Gay marraige just reinforces the notion that homosexuality is normal, which it is not. I really do feel bad for people diagnosed gay, its like being diagnosed with a mental disorder, and they did nothing to deserve it.

    11. rach says:

      you cant be "diagnosed" gay. you are born gay or straight or somewhere in the middle. it is not a choice and that has been scientifically proven.

    12. Meg says:

      You know in my homeland of the Great White North, Gay Marriage is legal and God did not lightening bolt us all and democracy did not fail and white heterosexual males even remained the most powerful group in our society (as usual). Can I just say to you Christians out there that I am appalled that you eat the flesh of unclean animal such as pigs. it is disgusting and definitely a lifestyle choice not an inherent part of your chemistry. I will work hard to change the rules in your country to make sure that NONE of you, regardless of religious involvement or not, who eat pig to be stripped of your rights! It says it right in you gay bashers fave part LEVITICUS:The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.

      your leviticus, in the same passage about gay sex, also warns against period fucking which i happen to know many people do. so just what exactly makes one passage more important than another?

      even the devil may quote the bible to fit his needs

    13. Casey says:

      Well meg, I don’t eat pig, I don’t have sex on my period, and I don’t think gay marriage should be legal. :) Not all Christians eat pigs. Jewish people don’t eat pigs (or at least practicing Jews) And it’s not just Christians who have a problem with gay marriage.

      I agree with the other comments. The decision was made democratically, and this is what the people chose. I like that someone pointed out the nudist thing. I never considered that, but it’s basically the same principle.

    14. sara says:

      I love the point of nudists, I feel like it really applies. If the majority of everyday American citizens have voted that they have a problem (for whatever reason, be it that it makes them uncomfortable, for religious reasons, etc.) with homosexual marriage then it should stay illegal. Just because homosexuals and their supporters are of a larger minority than nudists, for example, does not mean they have the majority and thus will not win in our democratic system.

    15. Elle says:

      It's understandable why many people are upset by the final decision of prop 8. But you guys, being gay is not illegal. It's not necessarily an explicit hate crime for the Supreme Court not to nullify the decision voted on, as previously stated. The constitution is the highest law in the United states and for the Supreme court to go against the vote of the people, would create more chaos. I feel like the religious bomb is dropped more often than it should be, we should be respectful of peoples' religious backgrounds and beliefs, even if we don't agree with them, and should do a little research on a top topic that we are refuting…before we let our words get the best of us.

      Amber, I understand your rant and where you are coming from, but Christianity isn't a list of rules. Leviticus is in the Old Testament which is under a different covenant than the New Testament, which is what Christianity is based off of, when Jesus Christ came (I'm not going to get into anymore detail about the History of Christianity you are welcome to research for yourself)…. and please don't take this as something to attack you, but please rationalize the context before you throw it out there.

      Back to prop 8. This issue will definitely be brought up again in future votes, there is no doubt about it, but I think that people need to learn about both sides on their own and make up their own choice based on their opinions, knowledge, and experiences. As we know, we are only in college, I think it would be wise to get positions from people that are older than us and more educated in the topic on both sides, rather than just throwing out what we don't like about it. If you want change, it starts with "changing" people's minds. You can't conquer a problem without knowing all the facts…so get out there and listen.

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    17. Casey says:

      Great comment Elle! It is very refreshing to hear a comment like that on this site. Most people just go straight to name calling and hateful/hurtful arguments.

    18. Kelly says:

      I must say as a college student in So Cal, it seems like everyone is opposed to prop 8. However, it still passed and the decision did not get revoked. And I am a part of that decision. That is right I voted yes on prop 8. Surprisingly I am not anti gay people and I recognize all there contributions to society. The reason I voted yes was because I think gay people should get the legal rights of married people, but under a different union with a different name. Marriage is for a man and a women, maybe Garriage is between a man and man (or a woman and a woman). We have to recognize that a union between a man and a woman is different from a union between two men. You wouldn't call rock music and hip-hop the same, so they are categorized as different music genres. It seems the silent majority (or at least the silent voting majority) of California leaned more toward my politically incorrect opinion, so now other people can see the thoughts behind the decision (at least for me).

    19. Casey says:

      Kelly, I like your comparison to music genres. I agree with you though, I am not anti-gay (because people should be equal whether I think their lifestyle is wrong or not), but since it's not the same thing, it shouldn't be called the same thing.

      Music has many different genres, Love can too.

    20. The Plan says:

      THE PLAN …………

      A. Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.

      B. Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.

      C. Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.

      D. In three generations, there will be no Democrats.

      Damn – I love it when a plan comes together.

    21. Danyell says:

      wow matt, sounds like you were locked in a pyscho conservative closet your whole life.
      First off all, “Homo” is a prejudice slur that is rude of you to use.
      Secondly, you can’t be diagnosed gay, I used to see a psychologist and she said being homosexual is not a mental illness. I’m sure she knows better than you, seeing that she went to college soley to learn about mental disorders.
      Third, you need to learn to be tolerant of others differences.

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