anonymous says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20094:18 am 

I don't think it's fair at all, and I don't really get people who are so sensitive about being around smoking. Second-hand smoke is negligible outside, and outdoor spaces around campus are one of the few places people can smoke at all anymore. Put yourself in the shoes of a smoker–you can't smoke in buildings, you can't smoke in your dorm, you can't smoke at restaurants, and suddenly now you can't smoke anywhere on your campus?

My school has a ban on smoking 25 feet from a building's entrance, and generally I think that is sufficient. Nonsmokers don't have to walk through the zone of cigarettes that generally lurks around every building on a college campus, but smokers don't have to sneak around like they're doing something illegal.

A campus-wide ban on smoking wouldn't lower smoking rates either, I think. People will smoke if they want to. Underage drinking is banned. Weed is illegal. God knows those both go on all the time on college campuses. Plus, I think most of the smoking college students do is outside a bar/house-party on Saturday night, not outside the library on Wednesday afternoon.

Erin says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20094:39 am 

My school had it too but the smokers never smoked 25ft away from the buildings. When i was a first year my dorm room was on the first floor by and entrance to a building that my dorm was not part of. Every night we had to tell drunken jerks to leave because we couldn't let them in that building and every hour of every day smokers would hang out there and smoke. We only had one window and other than that even with our room door open there was not circulation. My roommate also had sever asthma and it made her sick to be around the smoke.

I never enjoyed walking to class and getting behind or walking past some ass-hole who was smoking, it make you smell and makes your skin feel gross. My whole family smokes but after years of not living with them that feeling bothers me now. Yes I think it should be banned, just like at bars and dinners. I don't share your idea of non-health. Not only that but people with small children on campus, which happens alot don't appreciate it and neither do people with asthma and other health problems. I think if you want to smoke in the parking lot go ahead. But it should be enforced on schools to keep the 25ft distance if you can't bad it.

rachel says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20095:05 am 

So granted, I go to a private christian college and the students enroll expecting a bunch of rules and regulations; but we have a campus wide ban on smoking. students will go right outside the front gates to smoke tho.

Joe Camel says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20097:50 am 

When the top doctor –former Surgeon General Richard Carmona, the most corrupt bastard on the planet– says one molecule of smoke will kill you and your children it's tragic for us all. Thats because 8 of 10 idiots will believe it unquestioned. Carmona was bribed with the obscene wealth of Big Pharma, who are out to rule the world. Bush kicked him out after it's too late.

The silly twits who complain about walking behind a smoker don't remember pre-brainwash days when everybody smoked and nobody cared.The fact that their children are grown and healthy as bulls is not observable. The realization that we all have to live with such abysmal

numbskulls is most depressing.

My advice to smoking students is to carry a spray bottle of fish oil (stinks like road kill) and give complainers a squirt. If they get aggressive, whip out your pepper spray. Show them something that'll make them forget mere smoke. This is also a good trick for campus dictators who caved in to the Fraud of the Century.

Kristina says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20098:14 am 

To the moron above me:

Even if you think that everything they say about second-hand smoke is a lie, what about students with asthma/smoke allergies? Your right to smoke doesn't trump their right to breathe.

Joe Camel says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20099:14 am 

Kristina

Look who's calling who a moron. You miserable halfwit, everything you've

ever heard about smoking is a despicable lie. Big Pharma wants to outlaw tobacco so they can replace it with a daily handful of prescription drugs at ten prices. They reap trillions over time and you get to squawk.

Asthmatics should do whatever they do about industrial pollution of which they breath two pounds every day plus SHS too small to measure.

Tobacco is the best antidepressant known to man and the world's most valuable drug.

You should take your attempt to dictate my rights and shove it four feet up your cloaca.

anonymous says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20099:31 am 

I have never known a smoker alive who wouldn't move away from a building if asked by a legit asthmatic. Smokers are a friendly sort, not high-strung like most people, and perfectly willing to be polite if asked politely.

Erin says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20099:35 am 

Wow Joe Camel your an ass hole. And your ignorant. I hope you have fun when your talking from a hole in your throat.

Maria says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20099:45 am 

My college just enacted a smoking ban last fall in accordance with the recent smoking ban in Pennsylvania. All students were furious when they first heard about it (my school seems to be largely smokers, even some professors give a smoke break halfway through long classes), and everybody quickly started complaining about walking across the street to off-campus property to light up. Even alot of out professors bitch and moan about the smoking ban, because a quick 5 min smoking break has turned into a half hour ordeal to take the time to walk clear off campus. Quite a few students and faculty members do smoke on campus, and the number of people doing so is constantly growing because most of our campus police don't care to enforce the smoking ban. Then again, both the campus police and the city police in my college's town don't seem to enforce anything- when they bust a party they just tell everybody to leave.

Gloria says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20099:54 am 

I think it smells like shit. I'd welcome a ban to my campus.

When I lived oncampus last year, the smokers would smoke right outside the door and if I ever opened my window their smoke would get into my clothes/room.

Joe Camel says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 200910:02 am 

Anonymous

How do you tell a "legit" asthmatic from a common troublemaker?

I suffered horribly from asthma (allergy to dust mites) until age 15 when I took up smoking and my asthma disappeared forever. Smoke has a relaxing effect on the bronchi.

The "asthmatics" are hateful liars who sieze the opportunity to order smokers around because of the national brainwashing and the permission of a corrupt government in the service of drug hustlers.

I used to dine in a restaurant that was split down the middle with smokers on one side and nons on the other. None of the wait staff wanted to work on the non side. They called it "being thrown to the wolves". It seems that the nons as a group were surly bastards who complained about more than smoke. See the above about tobacco's antidepressant effect.

Erin, you stupid asshole,I won't dignify your claptrap with a response.

Nicole says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 200910:06 am 

I don't think that colleges should implement a campus-wide smoking ban – that's just wrong. I do believe, however, in the "no smoking 25 feet from this entrance" method. As an asthmatic, and with serious skin and sinus allergies (believe it or not, exposure to cigarette smoke eats away at my skin and I break out in hives) I hate trying to walk to class and drifting through huge smoke clouds in front of the doors (our campus has no smoking regulations). Not to mention that when you get to class, you smell like a smoker

criolle johnny says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20093:55 pm 

Addicts are ALWAYS in denial. No matter the mountain of evidence they will refuse to admit the problems with second hand or even first hand smoke.

There is no problem. There will never be a problem. The house could be on fire and they would be trying to light another …

There is no useful purpose for this product. The only function of tobacco is to addict and kill the consumer.

Delete.

End the issue for all time.

Grady says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20095:08 pm 

I am a genuine asthmatic- thank you very much Joe Camel- and being around smoking is terrible. I can't even WALK AROUND with people who are smoking because I immediately need my inhaler.

However, I don't know how fair it would be to instigate a "no smoking" policy on an entire college campus. As much as I hate to see my friends smoking and it makes me sad, I think it would just make smoking more inconvenient for them, not stop it altogether, and I know it would make people very angry… not something I want to have to deal with, honestly.

Jenny says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20095:55 pm 

As a former smoker, I do agree with the 25 ft. rule. It's rude to blow smoke in people's faces or near people who don't like the smell. Hell, I used to feel guilty when I even walked near a person while smoking. However, banning smoking on campus seems a bit extreme and potentially disastrous, like Maria described.

And I agree with anonymous. Smokers understand that their habit is not liked by everyone, and would willingly move away from a non-smoker if politely asked.

Casey says:
Tue, 2nd Jun 20096:56 pm 

WOW "Joe Camel" 15 people in my family have DIED FROM LUNG CANCER due to smoking cigarettes. My mother has told me since I was old enough to know what smoking was that "it may not kill other people, but it will kill you" my family is extremely susceptible to lung cancer so yes, I get very angry when I am FORCED to breath in toxins that WILL KILL ME. I don't care what people do to their own bodies, but frankly I do not want to be around it. EVER! It smells bad, ALL DAY. It makes my throat close up and my eyes water. I should have to endure that so you can continue to pollute your body? That's BULLSHIT! Why can't you smoke in the parking lot? Why do you have to do it where I HAVE to walk to get to my classes? YOU DON"T! It is proven by many many scientific studies that smoking is bad for you. Not to mention bad for the environment. Walk down a street and count how many cigarette butts you find on the side of the road from drivers who flick their butts out the window. Three houses on the street I grew up in BURNED. TO. THE. GROUND. Killing 5 people, because some asshole fell asleep with a cigarette in his mouth. Cigarettes don't kill people? You are seriously delusional, and I am certain you are just trying to get a rise out of people by being a complete and utter moron. I seriously hope you're just not that ignorant.

Go do some REAL research moron!

Joe Camel says:
Wed, 3rd Jun 20093:17 am 

Casey;

Cancer and every other ailment suffered by smokers also afflicts nonsmokers. I don't expect you to be smart enough to tell me what causes disease in nons. How about 90 year old smokers? The boob tube is owned by Big Pharma with their incessant prescription drug commercials and they can lie all they want.

If you want "research", Google a pro-tobacco website called FORCES INTERNATIONAL. You won't do it because you you're hopelessly brainwashed and dynamite won't effect that. Fortunately, silly loudmouths like you don't have anything to say about bans. That's up to politicians. Drug companies have enough loot to bribe every politician on the planet to the tune of a million bucks or more. You get a big fat nothing.

Gloria says:
Wed, 3rd Jun 20098:04 am 

oh noes

gr3aT gl0b4l c0ns1rac13s!!!

th3 b1g bAd g0veRnm3nt and Th3 n3w w0rld g0vErnment iz r3sp0ns1blE.

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Erin says:
Wed, 3rd Jun 200910:14 am 

I think we can all agree this discussion is over when an ignorant bully like Joe Camel takes over the conversation. And No I'm not an Ass Hole and I'm not ignorant, your just one person and as far as I can see your argument is clutching at straws about conspiracy. You sound as ignorant as my red-neck uneducated parents who believe the same thing. Perhaps you have a couple of 9-11 conspiracy you would love to drag out too?

Gloria says:
Wed, 3rd Jun 20091:20 pm 

Joe
Okay on a more serious note now.
No one will or can take you seriously when you sound like a conspiracy theorist.

You stated earlier how ‘Big Pharma’ is responsible for it all this anti-smoking lobbying. In that case, ‘Big Pharma’ and the tobacco industry can have fun duking it out seeing who can hand out the biggest bribes.

Honestly you can fund, create and cite your way to ‘truth’.
This obviously goes both ways.
Until something completely unbiased (which some of the articles on Forces International fail to do, just like studies that support anti-smoking do) conducts 100 years of research each side will continue to pitch their ‘studies’ at each other.

The move to electronic smokeless cigarettes is growing, hopefully it will be one of the things that most individuals will move towards. It seems like the happiest medium that the general nonsmoking public and smokers can reach at the moment.

Joe Camel says:
Thu, 4th Jun 20094:42 am 

Gloria:

Forces International says nobody has ever proven tobacco is harmful. If you want to jeer at this statement, shut your trap and prove It. Phony "studies"paid for by antitobacco hustlers and knocking something without reading it doesn't count.

Tobacco has been around for thousands of years an in common use for 500. Nobody was ever killed by it until SG Doctor Kook said it did back in 1980 while smoking cigars, drinking Martinis, eating steak and preaching against all three. Millions of suckers crawled out of the woodwork and got smart.

It doesn't matter if the e-cigarette is any good because the FDA will outlaw it with the same BS they use for tobacco. The goal of anti

tobacco is to sell prescription drugs, not E-cigaretttes.

Erin,I haven't taken over the conversation. You can post the same as I.

The difference is that your posts are nonsense. You sound like a teenage punk, although I've encountered older people just as dumb. Incidentally, it's "you're" not "your."

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Nicole says:
Thu, 4th Jun 20097:51 am 

Hey, Joe Camel – why don't you try this:

Don't be a flamer.

Whether you want to take that as the Internet-etiquette meaning, or if you want to get deep and take that as not being a smoker is your decision.

Oh, and "Joe Camel"? Why not shoot for some actual creativity.

Joe Camel says:
Thu, 4th Jun 200911:09 am 

Nicole

So anyone who speaks with intelligence is a flamer. That's typical

of a brainwashed idiot with a concrete brain.

Nicotine Nazis deal in creativity; I deal in facts. The fact is that tobacco is harmless. Believe whatever you want. You're so much hot air unless you have political power.

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Nicole says:
Thu, 4th Jun 20091:18 pm 

I'm pretty sure that you have no political power, thus, you as well, are nothing but hot air, as well. In fact, all of us here on this thread, as you are implying, are full of hot air.

I never claimed that your intelligence (or lack thereof, some here may argue) causes to you to be a flamer. Yet, the phrasing and diction of your arguments is similar to that of a flamer.

I never called you any condescending and discrediting names, such as a "brainwashed idiot with a concrete brain". Perhaps, you would continue with an argument that is much more appropriate – and with a sense of maturity.

Personally, I feel that tobacco is a waste of money, and one's life. But in my way of expressing that, I would not want to make others feel stupid and push them to feel that their opinions weigh less than mine. Perhaps, you and I were raised differently when it comes to this manner. I respect your opinion, even though I do not agree with it. I would appreciate it if you would, even if you disagree with it, respect mine.

Best wishes with your personal tobacco campaign.

girl says:
Thu, 4th Jun 20095:07 pm 

I wish my school did this.

One of my best friends had to leave after her first semester because she was so allergic from the smoke EVERYWHERE.

Joe Camel says:
Fri, 5th Jun 20098:41 am 

Nicole;

Tobacco is not a matter of opinion. Fact; It's the best antidepressant/ tranquilizer/ stimulant, all at the same time.The smell of a freshly lit cigarette is heavenly. That explains why smokers as a group are laid back and Nicotine Nazis are assholes.

Your opinion weighs less because it's nonsense, provably. In fact it's not really an opinon–it's parroting a corrupt propaganda machine.

You can't prove that tobacco ever killed anybody. The next man's smoking is nobody else's business. And all of the "opinions" are hot air–

rules are made by politicians following the biggest bribe.

Why do I argue with brainwashed Idiots about it? I like to unload my ass.

Nicole says:
Fri, 5th Jun 200912:03 pm 

Mr. Camel –

I like how you use generalizations for your arguments. So, those of us who are not smokers are "Nicotine Nazis" and "assholes"? I know of many smokers who are very high strung and many non-smokers who are extremely laid back.

As far as my opinion being an opinion – I could argue the same for your propaganda that you have been enlightening us all with. But to do that would stoop lowly.

Before I decide to end this bantering back and forth with you (what's the point of arguing on the Internet? Exactly.), I'd like you to answer me just a few questions:

1. Why are you so destructive in your responses? I find it difficult to maintain a discussion with someone who rude in his/her arguments. I'm quite sure that some people here would have responded differently to the information you have brought to the table if you had used a different word choice. While you seem to be a great debater, the main point in a debate is to be persuasive, not overbearing. I know this because I have been a Lincoln-Douglas debater and orator at the state competition level.

2. Can you please explain how smoking is not detrimental to one's health when there are many unpleasant and noticeable side affects (e.g.: yellowed teeth, smokers' cough, yellowing around the fingers, toughness of the skin, etc.). While your argument that we can't prove that tobacco ever killed anyone is a valid argument, what about these health concerns?

3. This entire thread, you have given us information that propaganda machines have done nothing but given us exactly what they are named for – propaganda – against cigarettes. Could you please direct us to valid and trustworthy sources that present your side of this issue?

Joe Camel says:
Sat, 6th Jun 20097:14 am 

Nicole

What's the purpose of arguing on the Internet? I can't see any difference from arguing on a street corner. I'll answer your questions in the most dignified way possible for a brainwashed idiot.

1. I owe no courtesy to anyone who suggests they have some sort of dispensation to mind my business. They're lucky they don't get hunted down and shot. Some people WANT their business minded by some of the most evil hustlers in history, including their DOCTOR.

2.As aforementioned, I have smoked over 600,000 Pall Malls since I started 50 odd years ago. I don't have a trace of yellowed teeth, smokers' cough, yellowing around the fingers, toughness of the skin or any other health concern, fictional or actual. I do have to wear reading glasses, like millions of nonsmokers. I respond with great disrespect to someone who suggests that SMELLING my smoke is deadly like that evil bastard Carmona—stay away from smokers– et al. If you can't see that these hustlers are evil liars without a leg to stand on, your skull is too thick to penetrate.

3.Here is one of many valid and trustworthy sources who support

"my side" : FORCES INTERNATIONAL. If you read and refute these folks, you have an argument. I know you don't because I'm much smarter than

you, and don't swallow the notion that one (or one quintillion) molecules of tobacco will kill your child. It sure as hell didn't kill my child. He's 41 and mean.

The average person with a two digit IQ will believe anything he hears from a politician, Boob Tube, or Medicine Man, unquestioned for all time, because air has no thinking ability. We smokers are forming organizations with the purpose of putting the Carmonas in jail.

That monster's lies have cost hundred of thousands of jobs and millions of broken relationships and he doesn't care. Thank God Bush booted him, but there are many to take his place. Big Pharma can bribe any politician.

There's no need to bribe surly loudmouths like yourself. You LIKE to

kick smokhers and others around. You're more vulnerable than you think you are.

Any other questions?

Nicole says:
Sat, 6th Jun 20099:36 am 

Oh, no, no more questions. Other than that you're an arrogant son of a gun (or daughter). You're son is 41 and mean? I see where he gets it from.

A surly loudmouth? I'm proud of that. Vulnerable? That, I am not. I'm pretty sure I've never met you, you've never met me, and you know nothing of the life I lead – as I know nothing of yours.

As far as I can say, this discussion with you is done. I do not push around smokers, as majority of the members of my family are smokers, and I can see the effects. In fact, I respect smokers and their right to smoke, just as many will respect mine decision to abstain from inhaling carcinogens. I will believe what I believe. You can believe what you do.

You obviously must be made of steel, or, as I personally believe, a pile of shit, to withstand constant years of smoking.

Best wishes on your quest to find a larger soapbox to spread your disastrous propaganda other than a college girls' blog.

Joe Camel says:
Sat, 6th Jun 200910:26 am 

Nicole.

You call brainwashing an opinion and now you call this a college girl's blog. I'm gonna guess your IQ : 85. Good thing you're in a college that teaches only political correctness. Anything on the Internet is everybody's blog except for those shitbricks that zap anybody they don't wanta hear.

My son lives in Manhattan –nonsmokers capital of the world among

other atrocities–and you're either mean or dead. He's not half as mean as you, though. Are you not getting any? Your knowledge of the subject you're squawking about is limited to the "opinion" that a smoker–among billions of others– who's lived to a ripe old age unharmed is a pile of shit.

You're a very dumb pile of shit whose agressiveness and shit for brains is gonna get your arse kicked.

Nicole says:
Sat, 6th Jun 200910:34 am 

I'm sorry that I've had the balls to stand up to you…

Wait. I'm not.

I'm mean? What about everyone else on this thread that you have harassed.

Sorry to give you back what you've been dishing out. It's about time someone did.

Joe Camel says:
Sat, 6th Jun 200910:56 am 

Nicole

Hey. Hey. Hey. You can give me back double what I'm dishing out and I'll be satisfied. Where did you get your "balls"? You have a girl's name.

If you are a 20 year old punk of the balls persuasion who's misidentifying himself, I'm gonna be mad at you and pronounce a pox on your house.

the violator says:
Mon, 8th Jun 20093:51 am 

i agree with joe camel. give 'em hell joe!

my campus has a smoking ban which i and many others simply defy.

and anyone who tries to stop me, i wish you luck. although, i might actually put it out- in your eye!

Katie says:
Mon, 8th Jun 20094:17 am 

I think that a complete ban would be unrealistic, but a stronger rule on distance from well-used areas would be better. I am currently finishing my 2nd year of college, and I have a younger brother with severe asthma and smoke allergies. I don't even want to think of what will happen when he leaves for college and finds himself unable to breathe everytime he leaves a building. Even now, while he is in high-school, he finds it somewhat difficult, but at least there the smokers stand 100 ft from the school on the lawn/sidewalk! I find very often the smokers outside my dorm have no respect for personal space and blow smoke right into my face!

I do believe that the choice to smoke is theirs to make, but don't make everyone else have to deal with it too!

Joe Camel says:
Mon, 8th Jun 20098:46 am 

Katie:

If (doubtful) your brother can't breathe when he goes outside, he belongs in a sanitarium. Cigarette smoke in the breezy outdoors is to dilute to be of consequence.

Do you think large numbers of people should be horribly inconvenienced

just so you can play at political correctness? Somebody soon is gonna

adjust your attitude.

Mary says:
Mon, 8th Jun 20096:47 pm 

I don't agree with the smoking ban. I smoke, and if someone comes up to me and asks me to smoke somewhere else because it's bothering them, I'll move. But if it's outside one of the classroom buildings, and someone is merely passing by for a few seconds to go into a building, as our school is, I see no problem. A few seconds of cigarette smoke will NOT kill you.

And I have to agree with Joe a few posts back. Tobacco is not what causes problems, it's all the other chemicals in the cigarettes. I used to smoke pure tobacco, and I sometimes still do, and not only does it smell better but it's better for you.

Casey says:
Mon, 8th Jun 20098:53 pm 

Joe, if you mean tobacco wont kill people, you may be right, it probably wont. But Cigarettes, which this entire article is about (there are MANY tobacco products, but this article is about cigarettes only) can. Yes, there are 90 year old smokers, smoking cigarettes certainly doesn't kill everybody who smokes them, but it does kill a lot of people who do.

And yes, non-smokers do also get cancer. There are many types of cancer, lung cancer is one that many smokers get. What else explains the tar buildup in smokers lungs, besides cigarettes. Or is that more of the "lies". Your entire argument is just ridiculous. My father is a conspiracy theorist as well, but he at least makes his arguments sound convincing enough that you respect his ideas, yours is not convincing enough to warrant any respect from anyone reading this thread.

My father recites excerpts from everything he's ever read about his ideas to back up his thoughts and lets people know that he knows exactly what he's talking about. You need to do the legwork if you want people to take you seriously. Quote something. Cite something. (besides one website over and over again. It takes a little more than that to convince anyone that something is legitimate.) If you're just spouting some far fetched idea with no references to back it up people are going to think you either have a psychological disorder, or you're looking for attention. So present us with a more believable argument and someone just might take you seriously.

Pops says:
Mon, 8th Jun 20099:05 pm 

Shit, yous should be able to smoke em whereeverss you please. smoke if yous gots em..

Joe Camel says:
Tue, 9th Jun 20093:28 am 

Casey:

Human lungs have the ability to cleanse themselves of tobacco tar , sawdust, industrial pollution,etc. These god- awful black smokers' lungs you saw in elementary school were pig's lungs coated with tar .Smoker's lungs are used for transplant. Nicotine Nazis are such self righteous bastards they think they can lie all they want because the end justifies the means

FORCES INTERNATIONAL is only one pro-tobacco website–it tells everything there is to know about tobacco with the essential message

that it's provably harmless. If you want to read more, YOU do the goddam legwork.

Nicotine Nazis can't say nonsmokers don't get sick, so they talk shameless bullshit about the "risk" of smoking. If a smoker dies of the mumps, smoking caused it; if a nonsmoker dies, they don't know what caused it.

My arguments are at least as coherent as yours, with the essential element of truth. You don't have an argument–you're spouting boob tube propaganda spouted by a sophisticated propaganda machine financed mostly by the limitless wealth of Big Pharma and designed to fool the half of the population with a two digit IQ.

I don't expect any of the ignorant numbskulls–like yourself–who post to this blog to take me seriously. Once an idiot has been brainwashed, his brain is solid concrete no matter what the facts are.

callahan says:
Tue, 9th Jun 20097:28 am 

I agree with joe camel!! usually smokers are more interesting to talk to and way more fun. All you Obama-Lovers know he still smokes right? I haven't looked at JCamels website yet, but I do believe government is shit 90% of the time, so anything going against what the man is preaching is good in my book.

casey – i loved this — "It smells bad, ALL DAY. It makes my throat close up and my eyes water. I should have to endure that so you can continue to pollute your body? That’s BULLSHIT! Why can’t you smoke in the parking lot? Why do you have to do it where I HAVE to walk to get to my classes? "

hahahahaha booohoo hoo! hey, so if there's an extremely obese person, should we all ban them from eating themselves to death? Because when I fly and I have to sit next to them, their fat spills onto my seat a bit and it's soooo annoying! and when I'm waiting in line to get a salad they are taking up my valuable time by ordering half of quiznos. I'm not even going to go into the resources they re using up by eating fast food 24/7 and consuming tons of packaged food products…

and I agree with joe on the pollution topic, cig smoke isnt going to hurt you when you're also breathing tons of car exhaust and other junk. lighten up. or should we ban driving on certain days too?

banbanban let me live my life and ill let you live yours.

Casey says:
Tue, 9th Jun 20098:53 am 

Joe, you don't have an argument. All you have said, repetitively, is "propaganda! it's not bad! it's all lies! Big Pharma!, Boob-tube, and brainwashing!" You have not stated any facts, any evidence. Therefore, you have no argument and are just as ignorant as you accuse everyone else of being.

The human brain does not work like that. You would know that if you had one.

But considering the fact that you're an ignorant redneck who is living on welfare money, nothing you say matters in the slightest. Your a waste of space.

Forces International is a .org website. And not a very professional one. In fact, it sounds like you wrote it. None of the information I read on that site is up to date, most of it dating in the 80's and 90's. Furthermore, none of the information or "scientific evidence" that I read had any sources or references. The "links" page didn't list any other websites that could give valid information on the topic.

List a reputable source and you wont look like such an idiot.

Casey says:
Tue, 9th Jun 20098:56 am 

Callahan I completely agree with that. I think it's disgusting, destructive, and should be stopped as well. Not to mention the more obese people there are the more average people have to pay in health insurance (same goes for homosexuals). So yes, I am all for that ban.

Casey says:
Tue, 9th Jun 20099:07 am 

Not to mention the fact that you put so much credence into such a questionable source just further proves what an uneducated ignorant redneck you are.

the violator says:
Tue, 9th Jun 200910:06 am 

just get over it casey, smokers rule!

Joe Camel says:
Tue, 9th Jun 200910:38 am 

Casey, For the second time, it's you're not your. You're the dumbest yet. Let me help you with a short lesson in logic. As I've mentioned before, I've smoked 600,000 cigarettes in my long life without the slightest harm. Compare this fact with the pronouncement of the corrupt bastard SG Richard Carmona, who said smelling it is deadly. Somebody's lying and you think it's me. That's how smart you are.

Why don't you REFUTE Forces. I doubt you've even read it.

The "evidence" on tobacco goes back 500 years, not to the 80s or 90s.

I'm an ignorant redneck living on welfare money is a 'fact " you can't begin to support any more than your fanatical bullshit on tobacco.

Michelle says:
Tue, 9th Jun 200910:49 am 

Joe Camel, the amount of time you have spent coming up with rude and inane responses on this board is laughable.

Casey says:
Tue, 9th Jun 200911:32 pm 

Ok, for the second time, we are talking about cigarettes, not tobacco in general. A point which you still have ignored.

As I have mentioned before, cigarettes do not kill everyone who smokes them, but that does not mean it doesn’t kill a large number of smokers. Another point you never addressed.

Tobacco has been around for a very long time, yes. That does not mean the studies go back that far. My point was that I could not find an article on the site you keep promoting that dated any later than 2004. Meaning, that site may not even be active anymore. In which case, why waste my time.

I don’t care enough about smoking to waste my time refuting a site on smoking conspiracies. I could care less that you or anyone else smokes, I just don’t want to be around it. Whether it is harmful to my health or not, I really could care less. By the way, that wasn’t even the issue being discussed in this article.

“I’m an ignorant redneck living on welfare money is a ‘fact ” you can’t begin to support any more than your fanatical bullshit on tobacco.” The same can be said for the “fact” that you have yet to add any substance to your argument. You have not backed up anything you have said in this thread. Perhaps your bogus website can, but YOU have not. Therefore your entire “argument” is irrelevant.

Who cares about spelling and grammar on a blog site. When you start attacking people on spelling and grammar it just proves how pathetic and insignificant your argument is.

Joe Camel says:
Wed, 10th Jun 20093:07 am 

Casey

I myself mastered spelling and grammar in elementary school. The fact that you haven't proves that you have shit for brains.

I KNOW we are talking about cigarettes–the kind I've been smoking for 55 years with no harm.They are made of tobacco. Consider that silly crap about "tobacco" settled, OK?

FORCES tells everything there is to know about the Tobacco War. The founder recently died ( brain hemorrhage) but his army marches on.

I have referred you to this site for educational purposes. The fact that you find nothing proves you either didn't read it or can't comprehend it. More evidence of shit for brains.

"Recent Studies" are pure antitobacco (cigarettes) propaganda.

It's illegal for tobacco companies to advertise on TV. which is where you get your education, which guarantees that you have shit for brains.

The fact that not all smokers don't die until a ripe old age proves nobody does.

I smoke anywhere it's legal or in a little corner where I won't get caught.

If a jerk complains, he'd better be wearing a 9 millimeter. That includes you.

I'm a rich retiree, not an ignorant redneck, which is a figment of your flabby brain and has absolutely nothing to do with the topic under discussion.

Your post is the purest nonsense which is all one can expect from a brainwashed idiot who thinks education is a waste of time.

Joe Camel says:
Wed, 10th Jun 20093:24 am 

Michelle

The time you spend reading my rude–but no more than a bastard who thinks he can mind my business–and inane responses is laughable. You know my responses are not inane. That's why you attack me with sheer nonsense.

Casey says:
Wed, 10th Jun 20096:18 pm 

If you noticed I spelled the word correctly directly above the misspelling, typos happen when you're typing quickly. The fact that I misused one word out of an abundance of posts proves absolutely nothing except for your lack of any substantial argument.

Tobacco actually has a pleasant smell, I enjoy the smell of cigars and pipe tobacco, cigarettes are an entirely different story.

Cigarettes contain a hell of a lot more than merely tobacco, and you can not refute that because everyone, except for your simple mind (having a large vocabulary does not make you smart), knows that they have completely different smells.

Tobacco is a natural substance, that is virtually harmless, cigarettes are a tobacco product that has many added chemicals, which are harmful. (I do not give two shits that you have managed to live for 50 years smoking cigarettes, that proves absolutely nothing, plenty of people live even though they smoke, plenty of people do not.) Not to mention cigarettes contain nicotine, an addictive drug, which sends people through withdrawals if they try to quit, whether you think it is stupid for anyone to try and quit something that you personally think is so amazing is irrelevant. The fact is that anything that gives you withdrawals is not healthy. I don't care to hear your "argument" on that one, because it would be just as ignorant as all your other half assed arguments.

"I’m a rich retiree, not an ignorant redneck, which is a figment of your flabby brain and has absolutely nothing to do with the topic under discussion" You can not prove this any more than you have proven anything else in this discussion. Not to mention the fact that it makes you sound like a teenager trying to one-up someone.

I do not even own a television. I don't have the time, nor do I care to watch television. And you can not prove otherwise.

"brainwashed idiot who thinks education is a waste of time."

Oh I guess that's why I have been spending most of my 20's attending college to obtain my doctorate in psychology. Because I don't value education in the slightest.

Jess says:
Wed, 10th Jun 20098:09 pm 

As a chemist (and I have actually done a lot of scholarly research (using published articles in the american chemical society)), it is actually alarming that second hand smoke is more dangerous than first hand smoke because of the differing temperatures in combustion. There are more harmful chemicals in second hand smoke than in first hand because they aren’t completely destroyed.

Based on this, and the fact that cig smoke is completely a horrendous smell, I don’t believe smokers have a “right” to smoke anywhere they like.

If you are harming other people who don’t have a choice about the matter and it is hurting them, why should you have the right to smoke around them?

Also, if you want to go and buy that smokeless cig, go ahead. It won’t hurt me, it won’t smell like crap. So there’s your alternative to smoking and I won’t complain about it because
it doesn’t effect me.

p.s. it just smells really really bad

Joe Camel says:
Wed, 10th Jun 20099:40 pm 

Jess, I’veheard some bullshit in my day, but yours wins the prize. That business of secondhand smoke was dreamed up by John Banzhaf, a most evil Nicotine Nazi. Google him. He was having trouble convincing anyone a wisp of smoke is deadly and he had to explain why it doesn’t kill smokers.

Smoke does not have a horrendous smell, at least until Dr Kook (Koop),
back in 1980, invited your kind out from under their rocks to squawk.
I can remember when they sold cologne that smelled like tobacco

Banzhafis not finished yet. He now claims going outside is not good
enough. It seems you carry deadly particles back in on your clothes to kill your children. He’s been walking around loose so far but if he succeeds in backing smokers into a corner, don’t sell him any life insurance.

Why should smokers have the right to harm others? Because they don’t, you cretin.

dae says:
Thu, 11th Jun 20095:12 am 

Well my school (University of San Francisco) just banned it at the beginning of this last year and lets say there are 2 smoking zones in the whole school plus you can go to the public sidewalk technically. But in reality people still smoke everywhere. Especially in front of the cafeteria. So you still get that big mouthful once in awhile when you least expect it. But otherwise its a good idea, someone just has to enforce it, but no one wants to. I see school officials walk past these people, a few have heard them utter "hey thats not good for you!" but no one has heard "hey your breaking out newest rule here's a ticket!"

Joe Camel says:
Thu, 11th Jun 20098:57 am 

Casey, my sympathy for having been born with a concrete brain which is all mixed up and permanently set.

Cigars and pipes burn a highly aromatic tobacco, purposely blended to have a strong smell. Some like it, some don’t, some don’t give a shit. Cigarettes are blended to be innocuous and can be smoked at public gatherings. So you like the strong stuff but not the weak. Typical of a concrete brain.

How the hell did you get on the subject of my wealth? You say I can’t prove it. Well,if I catch you trying to count it, be aware that I own a side by side twelve loaded with #2 buckshot.

The fact that I’ve lived to a ripe old age as a heavy smoker proves it’s harmless, Like the sweet little gal who said that proves I’m a pile of shit, you don’t give a damn. It’s still deadly to smell. My information cannot be processed by a concrete brain, so don’t even try.

Funny, you don’t write like an educated person.

Casey says:
Sat, 13th Jun 200911:15 am 

Again, you did not even respond to my points. This proves that you still have no argument.

You try to ignore the fact that you have no argument by calling us all "brainwashed", and saying we have "concrete brains" instead of making any substantial assertions. So actually, this makes you look like the uneducated one.

Despite the fact that you are at least somewhat articulate, it seems your brain has been fried and you have no clue how to have a mature, meaningful argument. You know, one that includes factual points, and at least some sort of verbalized support.

I won’t even comment on your inane statement about the smells of other tobacco products as opposed to cigarettes, there’s just really no point.

Actually, the subject of your wealth was brought up by you, when you made the juvenile statement, “I am a rich retiree”, another of those points that you cannot backup. My comment on you being an ignorant redneck was an empty statement, much like your claims that we are all “brainwashed with concrete brains” since you have not supported any of your allegations, you also cannot support those.

I really do not need to know how many guns and of which caliber you own, since we will never have any personal interaction, and most likely do not live anywhere near each other. So please, stop making ignorant empty threats. They really are not helping your lack of an argument.

The fact that you have lived to a “ripe old age” proves nothing, since many people who smoke do. Although, 50’s are not considered “old”, but I suppose to a smoker they would be. Unless, as I suspect, you are lying about your age as well.

Funny, you don’t argue like an educated person.

Casey says:
Sat, 13th Jun 200911:24 am 

I seriously, for all of our sakes, hope that you do shoot someone who asks you to smoke somewhere else, since that will mean, one less douche bag smoker, one less nuisance, and one less ignorant redneck with guns overpopulating our planet.

Joe Camel says:
Sat, 13th Jun 20092:28 pm 

i am a fucking idiot, and i do no understand the basic construction of an argument, which is a premise. sorry all i am going to go kill myself now,

sincerely,

joe chemo

the violator says:
Sun, 14th Jun 200911:36 am 

casey, you are a bitter non-smoker. that is irrefutable. somkers rule and i will not stop, move away or do anything for the non smokers. they will just have to accept that.

i cannot be stopped.

joe camel is awesome!

keep it up joe!!!

Twin XL says:
Sun, 14th Jun 200912:06 pm 

I think designated smoking areas are good and they should ban it in other parts of campus.

Casey says:
Sun, 14th Jun 20095:03 pm 

The Violator,

I do not have a problem with other people smoking; you can do as you please. I personally have never asked anyone to move, or stop smoking, if someone is smoking, I move to another area because it bothers me. I am not bitter; I never said it should be banned. My only complaint is that Joe has no argument and is merely on this board to be an ignorant nuisance. I may be interested in what he had to say had he presented himself in a mature and intellectual manner, instead of spouting pejorative and unsubstantiated bullshit.

From what I have seen in this thread the smokers are the ones who are assholes, calling people names and being extremely rude. However, I am sure you do not represent the majority of smokers, thank god.

PRob says:
Mon, 23rd Nov 20093:34 pm 

Joe Camel, couldn't have articulated the argument better myself. And to all you pansies complaining – grow a pair and find something of substance to complain about. That is all.