Justin says:
Fri, 17th Jul 20092:59 pm 

that picture hurts. majoring in engineering in college is pretty much 5 years of not getting any action ; ;

m says:
Fri, 17th Jul 20099:01 pm 

I think my school did the best job of presenting all the facts. We were taught about all of the different types of birth control, their effectiveness % on both pregnancy and STDs and they really encouraged abstinence as the only 100% way not to get pregnant or STD etc. We also did a unit on love versus infatuation, plus we had to have one of those robot babies for a week. It was very comprehensive but I never felt like I was ever lacking in the facts. Abstinence only education is a waste of everyones time and money. And this is coming from a girl who has decided to wait until marriage.

Casey says:
Sat, 18th Jul 20094:55 am 

I understand that in an ideal world if EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. Is taught that abstinence is the only way to go, and no rebels decide to see for themselves, then it could work. But of course that's not the case. Everyone's taught something different, there are always those rebel kids out there who just want to break the rules that will be pressuring their peers with "They lied to us! Sex is amazing! Go try it! Down with abstinence!" Unfortunately those kids wont know about condoms, or birth control, or std's and that's where the problem stems from.

In theory it's a good idea. But some people are just too trusting. (Like the Sarah Palin's of the world) There are always going to be the bad apples in the bunch that will try to spoil the whole batch. And that is what the conservatives don't want to take into consideration. So instead of calling them ignorant, they are just very trusting and want to see that everyone is capable of following rules. Which really is the whole difference between the conservatives and liberals in any aspect. Conservatives want to believe everyone has a good side and will follow rules, and wants all citizens to be able to stand on their own two feet. Liberals cater to the fact that people are not all good, will break rules, and won't WANT to stand on their own two feet. In short, these people (the abstinence-only people) aren't trying to push beliefs on anyone, they aren't trying to take away our fun, they simply have a different way of thinking, and they think their idea is going to make the world a better place.

Deniz says:
Sun, 19th Jul 20091:40 am 

In response to Casey’s post…

First, I don’t think it’d work. Even in a perfect world where everyone was taught abstinence, because we all know that even those who have been preached abstinence often break the rules. One of my uncles married a Mennonite, and even in that VERY conservative atmosphere, half of my aunts sisters (thats 3 of them) had sex in high school, and one of them got pregnant and dropped out. So no, I don’t think it’d work. Abstinence goes against human nature. Our bodies don’t say ‘way until you are married’. Starting at puberty, they say BREED BREED BREED. Second, I find it a little creepy how you call these kids ‘rebels’. They’re not vandalizing, or doing cocaine, or committing a crime. They’re just having sex. It’s natural, it’s beautiful (usually).

As for your bit about conservatives vs. liberals, I see you’re claling conservatives idealists and liberals realists. Isn’t the fact that liberals actually acknowledge the fact that living to biblical standards is impossible (and thank god for that, otherwise we would be stoning these kids that do have premarital sex!) an advantage in making decisions in matters such as these? Just because conservatives may WANT everyone to live by the bible doesn’t mean that they do, and if their policies reflect some warped reality, they won’t do the country any good.

Another thing I don’t like about these ‘trusting’ conservatives is that, lets say somebody slips up? ‘Too bad on your own wheres your work ethic blah’. That’s what happens to thousands of Americans that get sick without the health insurance that they can’t afford or acquire due to natural conditions (autism, depression, Asperger’s syndrome (which might bar me from finding insurance one day)). And thus they are left on the ground dying. That’s why I’m proud of liberals. They don’t ‘trust’. They live in reality. But they want to make it the better reality that conservatives ‘trust’ in, and so they actually do more for this utopian vision than conservatives.

And I think they ARE taking away our fun, and they aren’t looking in our best interest. By preaching abstinence only education, they’re depriving our youth of information in case they ‘slip’, which you yourself acknowledged happens all the time! So besides trying to get us to act like people from the books that says a rapist can just pay off his victims father 50 shekels to get off free from his crime, they’re also robbing our childrens right to OTHER information.

Casey says:
Sun, 19th Jul 20091:06 pm 

Ok Deniz, Chill out and stop attacking me. Did you not read my post AT ALL!? WTF is wrong with the people on this site that they JUST. DONT. READ!? You basically just reiterated EXACTLY what I just said, except with an extremely haughty tone. I was not, in any way, saying that an abstinence only education was good. I SAID IT WOULDN”T WORK! And you’re “not even in a perfect world” comment doesn’t even make any sense because you’re talking about our world (a different religious yes, but still our world!) and our world CERTAINLY is not perfect. So I stick by my previous comment, that it could work in a perfect world (and by perfect world, I mean where everyone follows the rules and does what they are supposed to so we don’t have, crime, drugs, unwanted pregnancy’s, STD’s, Rapes, etc. THAT is what I mean by a perfect world. We have rules for reasons!)

And also, our bodies did say “wait until you’re married” until the past couple hundred years or so. People got married much much younger in the past, when they had hit sexual maturity. But so much has changed in a couple hundred years (women go to school, women have careers, there are more scholarly jobs available which require school, young people today are WAAAAAY more immature) So we have changed. It doesn’t mean we can’t still wait until marriage to have sex, people just don’t want to.

Why is it “creepy” that I call someone who is blatantly breaking rules a “rebel”? By definition that is what they are. Stop taking offense to every god damn little thing. My post was not meant to be an insult against anyone and you twisted it to start a stupid little argument. I have premarital sex! BIG FUCKING DEAL! That was NOT the point of my comment! Holy shit read!

As for your bit about “biblical standards” I never once mentioned the bible, I never one mentioned that I was a conservative or a liberal. But conservatives certainly DO NOT want everyone to “live by the bible” thay want everyone to adhere to a set of rules that will make the country run as smoothly as possible. And if people could just open there fucking eyes and realize that then we could live in a much happier place. Unfortunately some people are selfish and just want whatever they want whenever they want it without having to do a god damn thing for it. And THAT is why I don’t like the liberal party, because they cater to those people (welfare for people who want to sit on their asses and not work and have kids, but not welfare for single mothers working two jobs trying to support a family but still just can’t quite make it and need just a tiiinny bit of help, but in order to get it they have to quit their jobs (very real situation a friend of mine is going through) Why do you think they wont help her when there are so many people NOT willing to work who are getting help? Hmmm I wonder. Or how about the countless, rapists, and murderers sitting in prison “for the rest of their lives” who never have to work another day, who get three free meals a day, free cable TV to watch (can I get so damn free cable? Why not? Cause I obey the law?) they get “play time” and with whose money? Mine! The money I as a poor college student could be putting towards rent, my electric bill, getting my car fixed so it doesn’t die trying to get me to or from school and work. How is THAT fair? These people get to live after doing horrible horrible things with more luxury than I have? AND I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT!? Bullshit! THAT’S why I don’t like the liberal way, THATS why I am a conservative. Because no one DESERVES anything that they didn’t work for. Because I work hard for myself, not for people who don’t want to work. Because the liberal system is flawed so unfairly toward hard working citizens. You want to talk about the conservatives being unfair? Why because rich people don’t want to give their hard earned money that they worked their asses off to people who don’t make as much? Because they expect people to be upstanding citizens and not break the law? Because they think as human beings, and NOT wild animals we should have self control? I’m sorry, but maybe if the liberals stopped being such pussies and actually punished the scum of the country that are making it such a worthless cause, then the conservative ideals wouldn’t be so warped. The country might actually be a pleasant place to live.

Take this analogy, You and your friend are in college, you work hard, you make straight A’s, you don’t go out and party when you know you should be studying, and it pays off. Your friend doesn’t do her homework half the time, she’s out partying 7 nights a week, her grades suffer, she flunks exams. You’re both smart people but you’re just more committed to the work. You get your grades and you have a 4.0, your friend has a 1.5. Would you be willing to give your friend part of your GPA so that she doesn’t flunk out of college? Why not? Because you earned it? Because you worked hard for your grades? Yeah welcome to the conservative mindset.

As for your health insurance bit. My parents paid 2500 dollars A MONTH for health insurance for 2 years, now they are broke and can’t afford it anymore. Why did they have to pay so much? because my mom is diabetic and my dad is 60. So don’t even try to preach to me about health insurance. My mom is sick and she doesn’t have health insurance. But you know who’s going to make that SO MUCH BETTER for her? Obama! Yeah that’s right, within the next two years Obama is trying to make it so that anyone who doesn’t have health insurance has to pay AN EXTRA ONE THOUSAND DOLLAR FINE for EVERY. SINGLE. DOCTOR APPOINTMENT. So now my mom doesn’t have the health insurance she needs AND she has to pay an extra 1000 dollar fine because she doesn’t have it. Woo hoo! Go liberals!

This part is just soooo hilarious to me!
“By preaching abstinence only education, they’re depriving our youth of information in case they ’slip’, which you yourself acknowledged happens all the time!”

Yes, I did acknowledge that people slip up all the time didn’t I! Ha funny because I’m pretty sure I acknowledged the rest of that too, hmm let me find it, oh here it is! The very beginning of my comment “I understand that in an ideal world if EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. Is taught that abstinence is the only way to go, and no rebels decide to see for themselves, then it could work. But of course that’s not the case. Everyone’s taught something different”

Again, thank you for ending with a biblical reference since I was so adamant about preaching the bible throughout both of my posts! (sarcasm of course, I never once mentioned the fucking bible, or religion.)

To clarify, since you OBVIOUSLY just didn’t comprehend my original comment AT ALL!

No abstinence only education will not work! DUH!
Are the conservatives ignorant for hoping it would? NO! Did I ever agree with them about abstinence only education? NO! Am I trying to defend them? YES! Why? Because they aren’t idiots like liberals make them out to be. They merely have a completely different way of thinking, and no one deserves to be called names or made to feel inferior simply for their beliefs.

Marcy says:
Sun, 19th Jul 20091:36 pm 

I think abstinance until marriage only is a good concept, but its an unrealistic goal. I think schools should go down to the core and let us no everything about sex, and birth control methods, statistics, and our options. I went to a christian school, and they had sex ed, they gave us plenty of information but they didnt let us know how to prevent stds and pregnency because they just assumed we would not have sex. But no matter what, public or christian schools, you'll always have sexually active people, and chances are….theyr probably just using the pull out method wich is risky.

Shea says:
Tue, 21st Jul 20097:47 am 

Casey totally laid the smack down on Deniz and it was mostly hilarious.

sauer kraut says:
Tue, 21st Jul 20099:01 am 

Anyone know where Bristol Palin stands with respect to abstinence?

Casey says:
Thu, 23rd Jul 20096:06 pm 

Shea, glad you found humor in that . It wasn't exactly meant to be funny, I just hate when people only read what they want to read when it comes to my comments, instead of reading the entire thing. Then they try to make me out to be "the ignorant one" or "the closed-minded one" by taking my comments out of context.

Heather says:
Thu, 23rd Jul 20098:19 pm 

Yeah well to add to this… we had abstinence only education at my school… in NEW JERSEY. We aren't talking about Kansas here. I graduated high school not knowing any STDs except for AIDS and herpes (which i learned from society), and while I knew you could get AIDS from sex, I also thought you could get it in a variety of different ways I later found out weren't true. Not to mention that in middle school, not high school, I was told a blowjob would get you pregnant, okay?

So yeah, i ended up getting the facts straight when I took a health course in college. That not everyone takes, especially the kids who don't go to college. I mean this is key information we're talking here. Everyone should graduate high school knowing about the prevalance and types of STDS, ways to prevent pregnancy, and how an individual actually gets pregnant (the last one may seem obvious, but lets remember the special needs kids – I once heard of a special needs kid who said that the woman doesn't get pregnant if she is on top… so lets not forget these kids also). Knowledge is power, and even if someone is waiting until marriage, they still need to know this stuff… like even after marriage, maybe they don't want 10 babies. Everyone needs to know this information, period.

Casey says:
Fri, 24th Jul 20097:31 am 

Heather, You make an excellent point. I don't think a lot of people think about sex ed in the terms of we need to know this stuff for life, not just for sex. Even if people don't plan on having sex it is still knowledge that should be known by everyone. Because unless you are a priest, nun, monk, or plan to remain a virgin forever, eventually everyone will have sex, and everyone should know the facts, and all the facts, before their first time.

Bon Qui Qui says:
Sat, 25th Jul 200912:05 am 

I think Casey is a little stinker.

Casey says:
Sat, 25th Jul 20099:48 am 

what the hell does that mean?

Intelligent Man says:
Mon, 10th Aug 20094:56 pm 

Hey Deniz I have Asperger's too. I find this site kind of mean but I like some of the articles.